christianyouth
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Hey all. This is a question that has been nagging me for awhile. Why don't we honor the sabbath to keep it holy, especially if it's in the 10 commandments?

			
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In Genesis 2:2-3, God did not give the Sabbath to man...this was God's Sabbath/Rest..not man's. The Sabbath was given to the children of Israel as a special sign; as a perpetual covenant between Israel and God in Exodus 31:12-18:christianyouth said:Hey all. This is a question that has been nagging me for awhile. Why don't we honor the sabbath to keep it holy, especially if it's in the 10 commandments?

Jesus Christ is our Sabbath.Why Don't we Keep the Sabbath?
Ed, does God desire us not to murder? The law that is being referred to is not just the ceremonial part.We 'establish' the law; we don't 'keep' the law.
"because you are not under law but under grace" (Rom. 6:14)
Incidentally, I can't "keep" something I never had, and I never had the law. (Rom. 2:14)
Ed
How are we to interpret that? The Pharisees were judging Jesus because he and his disciplies were picking corn off. And Jesus replies by saying, "Remember when David went into the temple and ate the shewbread, that it wasn't lawful to eat?" And that's when the phrase comes up, "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath."The NT says that the Sabbath was created for man, not man for the Sabbath
christianyouth said:Hey all. This is a question that has been nagging me for awhile. Why don't we honor the sabbath to keep it holy, especially if it's in the 10 commandments?
n Hebrews 4:1-10 says:
Therefore, let us fear lest, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you should seem to have come short of it. For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also; but the word they heard did not profit them, because it was not united by faith in those who heard. For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, "As I swore in My wrath, they shall not enter My rest," although His works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has thus said somewhere concerning the seventh {day} "And God rested on the seventh day from all His works"; and again in this {passage} "They shall not enter My rest." Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, He again fixes a certain day, "Today," saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, "Today if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts." For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall through {following} the same example of disobedience.
In this section of Scripture, we read about three distinct Sabbaths. One of them is the Sabbath that existed from the beginning of creation. Another is the Sabbath that was given to Israel upon their entrance into Canaan along with the other ceremonial Sabbaths. And a third that we read about in verse nine. In that verse, the "sabbath rest" which "remains for the people of God," is a reference to the rest not achieved by Moses' and Joshua's generations, but which, achieved by Christ in His resurrection, is still symbolized by a weekly rest.
You see, throughout Hebrews 3:7-4:10, the word 'rest' (katapausis) is a different word from the one in 4:9 (sabbatismos). In 4:9, the word is sabbatismos and it’s a reference to the weekly Sabbath. The point here is that after the fulfillment of the Mosaic Ceremonial Law, there still remains a weekly Sabbath for the people of God.
So, an eternal rest still remains for us in Heaven and it has been secured for us by the resurrection of Christ. Because Christ rose on the first day of the week, Sunday is the day we celebrate His resurrection. Furthermore, the celebration of the weekly Sabbath is also a sign which causes us to look forward with joyful anticipation to the final rest that we will one day inherit at the day of consummation.
- Pastor Steve Bradley
christianyouth said:Martin, that does help, though I think that must Sabbitarians would say that while there was a ceremonial aspect to the Sabbath that was given specifically to the nation of Israel and therefor not binding on NT Christians, there is also a moral aspect.
christianyouth said:They would appeal to the creation covenant, that God hallowed the 7th day at creation, and therefor it was not just ceremonial.
Martin, do you believe in "keeping" the Lord's Day? In other words, may we treat Sunday as just another day of the week?Martin said:==The ceremonial, civil, and moral divisons of the Old Testament Law is artificial and not Biblical. In fact one scholar pointed out, and I forget who it was, that the three are so closely married in the Old Testament that trying to divorce them is very, very difficult. While such divisions can be helpful to us at times, we must always shy away from building doctrines on such artificial divisions. The Old Testament Law is very clear, the sabbath was a covenant between God and Israel. There is no application for gentiles in the modern church. The New Testament clearly states that believers are no longer under the Old Testament Law. Beyond that, as I pointed out in my previous reply, the New Testament makes these things matters of liberty and not commandments. So I would simply caution you about building doctrines on artificial divisions. We are always safer when we stick with the text and not try to find ways around what the text clearly says. See my previous reply for Scripture references.
==The Law itself is based on creation. However the sabbath law, like the rest of the law, does not apply to the church. The sabbath was a covenant between God and Israel, not God and the church. So their appeal is meaningless since it violates the direct and clear statement of the purpose of the sabbath law and what the New Testament says about the Law in general.
Therefore I can't agree with Pastor Steve Bradley's understanding of Hebrews 4. He is ignoring too much Scripture. Btw, is he a seventh day adventist of some sort?
J.D. said:Martin, do you believe in "keeping" the Lord's Day? In other words, may we treat Sunday as just another day of the week?
Is there a real difference between saying "the Lord's Day" and "the Christian Sabbath"? Is it just semantics?Martin said:We worship the LORD on the Lord's Day. However that is not the Sabbath. Two different things.
J.D. said:Is there a real difference between saying "the Lord's Day" and "the Christian Sabbath"? Is it just semantics?
I see what you are saying now. Have you heard the teaching that "sabbath" doesn't mean "seventh day" but rather "one day in seven"? Do you think that is true? Could we "keep" a sabbath on Sunday as one day in seven if that were true?Martin said:Yes, there is a very real difference. One, the Sabbath, is Biblical in connection with the Old Testament. The "Christian Sabbath" is not a Biblical term since neither the term nor the teaching are found in the New Testament.
Martin said:==The ceremonial, civil, and moral divisons of the Old Testament Law is artificial and not Biblical.
J.D. said:Have you heard the teaching that "sabbath" doesn't mean "seventh day" but rather "one day in seven"? Do you think that is true? Could we "keep" a sabbath on Sunday as one day in seven if that were true?
J.D. said:This is a difficult issue and one in which we should not be condemning of anyone's viewpoint. I even respect people that have church on Saturdy in an effort to obey the decalogue.
J.D. said:Are there any other options? Also, isn't ignoring the TC the same as disobeying the TC?
J.D. said:I realize the some people will say that yes, we should keep the ten commendments, but the fourth commandment is ceremonial, and therefore done away with, while the others remain enforcable as moral laws.
J.D. said:But this does not make sense to me. God clearly singled out the TC as a particular set of laws apart from the other laws. They were written on tablets, they were placed in the ark, they are specificially spoken of as a distinct set of law separate from the other precepts in the OT. Can we say that the first three tell us how to behave toward God, and the 5th through 10th tell us how to behave toward man, but the 4th law was only temporary? I don't think we can do that and be consistent.
J.D. said:But some say we are under the law of Christ, not the law of Moses. Well then, so be it. So let's keep the law of Christ and not forsake the assembling of ourselves together, assembling together on the first day of the week in the manner of the apostles and disciples. Either way, we have a day to keep unto the Lord. Yes?
christianyouth said:So, then we reason like this
1)The Law is fulfilled and unecessary for the Christian
2)The Sabbath is part of the Law
3)Therefor the Sabbath is fullfilled and unecessary for the Christian.
Christianyout said:The problem with this reasoning, is that we can put ANY command in 2), not just the Sabbath. We could put the ten commandments in there
Christianyouth said:So basically, when you are saying that Christ says, "We are not under the Law", you think he means that Christians have no obligation to the Law in it's entirety? I don't think you are, since from reading your writings you are anti- anti- nomian lol. But please clarify.
