The bible does not authorize playing and singing at the same time. It authorizes singing. Eph. 5:19, Col. 3:16, I Cor. 14;15, Romans 15:9, Mat. 26;30, Acts 16 25,26, Hebrews 2:12.
Now, if you would please post the scriptures in the new testament that authorizes playing-singing.
Where are the ones that authorize reading and singing? Or doing anythign else and singing?
Youre changing the rules of how to know what is allowed. ONLY with instruments is it "if it's not
commanded; it's
forbidden". With everything else; "if it's not commanded; it's an '
expedient' that 'carries out' the command".
In your previous post, you challenged the idea of songbooks and microphones being expedients. You asserted that steak and milk were unlawful. Then, you placed the instrument in the expedient or lawful arena with the songbook. Mat. 26:30 simply proves songbooks (written word forms) are expedients.
No it doesn't. They memorized much of the scriptures, so one can argue that it must be "in/from the heart", so you can use your book all you want when reading to memorize, but not when actually singing. That is not "commanded", there, and thus "not
authorized"
By the way, when I preach I use a microphone. Are you saying it drowns out the production of words that emanates from my vocal cords? I guess the 60 people listening to me on Sunday did not learn one thing as they did not hear the message. Roms. 10:17. I have been self deceived. I actually thought they heard me lo these 10 years. I am being facetious. Your argument is absurd and without biblical evidence.
But you base your argument on "the strings of the heart" (vocal chords). When you use a microphone, people are not hearing directly your vocal chord, but rather an electronic imitation of it. If this is OK; then we could just as well play a tape of us singing every Sunday, because that is the same thing; an imitation of the voice.
Yes, the argument is absured; but you refuse to see that it is your argument taken to the next consistent level. Bt you don't want too take it that far, because then you would be as wrong as you say everyone else is, so you invent the loophole of "expedients". Anyway, you should at least see how the rest of us feel when your group comes with this silly, time-wasting, unprofitable, unfruitful argument (certainly not "expedient" to anything other than human pride--"we're better than the rest of you").
I have read the context of Amos 6:5 many times. Have you ever studied the meaning of the word invented? When you have, then get back with me.
2803 chashab "a prim root. to
plait or interpenetrate i.e. (lit) to
weave, fabricate, plot, contrive (usually in a malicious sense)hence,
think, regard, value, compute--[now the words translated from it] (make) account of, conceive, consider, count, cunning, (man, work, workman), devise, esteem. find out, forecast, hold, imagine, impute, invent, be like, mean, purpose, reckon, (-ing be made), rgard, think"
None of this changes the context. Even some of the more figurative meanings such as "contrive in a malicious sense" would refer to the sin of the people then, not David's instruments! This is similar to Bob and I's old arguments on "observe=watch with evil intent" in Gal.4!). It would be evil of them to go on and praise God with instruments thinking they will pass with Him despite all the sin they were committing the rest of the time. And that would be
if that is even the intended meaning of the word there. Otherwise; it simply means "invented". If you're trying to say there were no instruments before David; still, that does not mean God rejected it as "unauthorized", and the fact that He doesn't proves that it did not have to be "commanded" to be acceptable.
Ten there's a whole argument that God simply "allowed" it, but it was never His will; piney.org goes as far as to say that the OT was basically pagan worship, but we NEVER see any of this expressed anywhere in scripture; except read into verses like Amos, which are usually torn from their contexts. (and piney is against tall
singing altogether; using the same types of reasoning, and they simply have some other allegorical interpretation of Eph.5:19, meaning to "preach" and "pray". So on and on it goes. People will come up with anything to best other Christians; like there is nothing else better to do!)
Now, please post a passage that proves a mechanical instrument is an expedient. You have claimed that songbooks and instruments are in the same category. Prove it! Book, Chapter and Verse.
No; it's up to you to prove, book, chapter and verse, that it is forbidden. You are the one coming and raising an issue where there is none among those you are approaching. We are on the defensive here, you are making a case, so you have to prove your view, and "it isn't commanded" is just not proving it.
