Why I do it...

You already told us why you do it, Curtis.

Because you like it.

Are you sure this is what you want to be doing when Jesus comes again?

 

Sigh. Context is unimportant to you, I suppose.

This is from a dialouge on the topic about the "Roman Miracle," in which a priest was told he was poisoned with cyanide (which non-Catholics thought was hilarious). I asked Curtis if he would show this joke to his daughter, and he said he would possibly when she got older. I told him that I don't think jokes about other people's faith were unChristlike, even if we disagree with their beliefs, and he disagreed apparently. He said:

you know what I may do is show her the thread on the plastic virgin of Zapopan. She's pertty smart, and was saved at 7 years old.

This thread was developed with an agenda to claim that the Catholic Church worships idols (which I suppose you are free to believe in, no matter how much we say we don't), but this thread was extremely one-sided, and Catholics were hardly given an ear for their side of the story. The thread, as a whole, was extremely biggotted and not open to the other side's testimony. Even if you disagree with that assment, that is how I see it. So I replied:

Smartness has nothing to do with it. Anyone can be brainwashed with bigotry.

This was soooo not an attack on his daughter, and I'm appalled he used it as such; this was an attack on the fact that people will believe what they they are taught, especially at a young age. To deny this is to deny any sense you have, because it is clear kids GENERALLY believe what their parents believe. They can be brilliant or struggle a lot; that has nothing to do with it. Bigoted opinions (like the thread he mentioned he would show her) can affect a person regardless of their mental capacity. If it was about his daughter, it would have said so - it is obviously a generalized statement on how bigotry is spread.

That said, the innocent Brother Curtis, who apparently denies any bigotry, said in the same thread:

Anybody with half a brain can see the RCC isn't what it says it is.

There is no hate on my part; bigotry is excessive pride in one's own beliefs as superior to others. Brother Curtis exemplifies this by his own statement.

 

Thessalonian,
My participation on this BBS and my comments regarding things Catholic are just that, comments about things Catholic; and not against my brothers in Christ who believe as I do that Jesus is the Son of God, the Messiah. If we agree on that, then we are free to take potshots at the wide variety of things we believe that the other does not, and vice-versa. This is called focusing on the essentials and "killing the non essentials". It is also part of "laying down our burdens". Jesus does not want us to be burdened for he said, "come unto me all ye who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest". Heavy laden? What is that if it is not trying to carry on our backs millenniums of dogma? Much of which the Catholic church calls "tradition" or "oral tradition". God has given us sufficient tradition and information in the book we call the bible, for the Gospel message is sufficient for our Salvation, and salvation is what "religion" is all about.

As you say, you love me. I likewise love you, but I do not believe the same as you regarding many things of the church. I believe that much of what the church holds onto is simply "overburden" that bogs us down in our worship and praise of God our Father and his Son Jesus, the Messiah.

So, Yes, I will continue to take potshots at the "isms" of the Catholic church, as I do the "isms" of any and all religious organizations including the Baptists, among whom I was raised and among whom I came to faith in Jesus Christ.

 

Thank you, brother.

I apologize for any feather-ruffling I did. I just wanted you to know that I would never insult your daughter, and it appeared that you took it that way.

God bless,

Grant

 

Curtis,

Bigotry entails intolerance. I don't feel that I have exhibited intolerance of Baptists or other non-Catholics for their beliefs. Certainly, I feel they are wrong, and that the Catholic Church does possess, by the grace of the Holy Spirit, the fullness of Truth. But it is not my goal to rub it in anyone's face; it is to share that and clear up misconceptions of that same faith. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find me saying things like that last statement about "half a brain." I don't believe that non-Catholics don't believe like I do because of intelligence quotient. I think that there has been willful misinterpretation by some and that has spread throughout the centuries as truth to those who are raised to be against the Catholic Church, the epitemy of the supression of their "freedom" to interpret the Scriptures.

I do not feel that I am superior for being Catholic, or that you are inferior for being Baptist. We're all on a faith journey, and I simply hope yours ends back at your home in the Catholic Church. However, I fully acknowledge that a sincere desire for the Lord and an open heart will allow me to see you in Heaven.

Maybe we'll even get along there.

 

The problem is that the "reformers" as you Catholics are fond of calling protestants, hold no allegience to Rome. Protestant allegience is to Jesus Christ, alone, because he taught us in scripture that HE alone is the intermediary between man and God the father. He taught us that He alone is our intercessor. He taught us that He alone is our Advocate before the Throne of God. He alone is worthy!

Catholics do not seem to want to acknowledge the teachings of Jesus in that regard, but insist on "the priesthood" as being the intermediary between man and God.

We protestants believe that we are the priesthood, and that we are 'catholic' (universal) in our beliefs.

Come home to the Catholic Church? Why is that necessary if we are doing what God commanded us to do where we are?

 

Yelsew,

I encourage you to read up on the belief in the "universal priesthood" that is taught by the Catholic Church.

 

I am talking about

Of course you know who Peter is, and "priests" is what he called Christians everywhere, not just in Rome.

 

So, basically, you are refusing to look up what I asked you to. Because it'd solve this little dilema.

 

You did not give me a link to go to that supplies what you want me to read. I am not intimate with Catholic catechism or dogma. Does what you want me to read agree with Scripture?

I'm not sure there is a dilema, Scriptures seem pretty clear, especially the "first Pope" of the Roman church.

 

You did not give me a link to go to that supplies what you want me to read. I am not intimate with Catholic catechism or dogma. Does what you want me to read agree with Scripture?

I'm not sure there is a dilema, Scriptures seem pretty clear, especially the "first Pope" of the Roman church. </font>[/QUOTE]Brother,

As I have pointed out many times on this board, the children of Israel were called "a holy people, a royal preisthood." Did they have ministerial priests? You betcha. And yet there were all "priests." It is the same in the New Covenant. The Catholic faith firmly holds to a universal or common priesthood, that is, we are all capable of making spiritual sacrifice to God and bringing the Lord Jesus to others. That does not exclude a ministerial preisthood, just like in the Old Testament.

And if you are not intimate with Catholic dogma and the Catechism, I wonder exactly how you seem to pretend to know my faith better than me or other Catholics on this board, who ARE intimately involved in the Catholic faith on a daily basis.