Question, alatude, what do you blame for the bi-partisan rejection of the Clinton health care bill ?
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Why I DON"T Support Universal Healthcare Coverage
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Question, alatude, what do you blame for the bi-partisan rejection of the Clinton health care bill ?
Do you realize that Mass. has had a health care system that requires that everyone have health care insurance for 4 years?
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A did you know that the Massachusetts plan is a FAILURE?
"MASSACHUSETTS HAS been lauded for its healthcare reform, but the program is a failure. Created solely to achieve universal insurance coverage, the plan does not even begin to address the other essential components of a successful healthcare system.
What would such a system provide? The prestigious Institute of Medicine, part of the National Academy of Sciences, has defined five criteria for healthcare reform. Coverage should be: universal, not tied to a job, affordable for individuals and families, affordable for society, and it should provide access to high-quality care for everyone.
The state's plan flunks on all counts."
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/e...9/03/02/mass_healthcare_reform_is_failing_us/
"The survey of roughly 4,000 adults found that, after seeing initial gains in affordability, an increasing percentage of residents are now reporting problems paying medical bills. It also found that a rising number of residents, especially those with lower incomes, are reporting that they did not get needed care because of costs, which are rising faster than inflation."
http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...esidents_report_trouble_paying_medical_bills/
"MASSACHUSETTS HAS been lauded for its healthcare reform, but the program is a failure. Created solely to achieve universal insurance coverage, the plan does not even begin to address the other essential components of a successful healthcare system.
What would such a system provide? The prestigious Institute of Medicine, part of the National Academy of Sciences, has defined five criteria for healthcare reform. Coverage should be: universal, not tied to a job, affordable for individuals and families, affordable for society, and it should provide access to high-quality care for everyone.
The state's plan flunks on all counts."
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/e...9/03/02/mass_healthcare_reform_is_failing_us/
"The survey of roughly 4,000 adults found that, after seeing initial gains in affordability, an increasing percentage of residents are now reporting problems paying medical bills. It also found that a rising number of residents, especially those with lower incomes, are reporting that they did not get needed care because of costs, which are rising faster than inflation."
http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...esidents_report_trouble_paying_medical_bills/
So what ? What does their failure have to do with why you call me a racist ?
And ANOTHER fallacy, this time a Red Herring/Strawman tag-team combo!I love you, brother!
Are you OldRegular posting under two names?
Another view.
WSJ
SEPTEMBER 18, 2009, 6:04 A.M. ET
Massachusetts Is a Health Reform Model
Our system insures 97% of state residents.
By DEVAL L. PATRICK
When we in Massachusetts set out to change our system, some were afraid. People almost always fear change, and politicians sometimes seize on that fear to prevent it. But in an act of political courage, a Democratic senator, a Republican governor and a Democratic state legislature formed a broad coalition with health-care providers, medical experts, business and labor leaders and patient advocates to fundamentally reform our system. And we have maintained our coalition as we've moved forward. After many years of widespread dissatisfaction with the old health-care system, we realized that a perfect solution or the status quo were not our only choices.
Because of our reform, over 97% of Massachusetts residents are insured—the highest rate of coverage of any state in the nation. Our residents now have better access to preventive care in lower cost primary-care settings. Employers have expanded coverage for workers, not retreated as some feared. Families are less likely to be forced into bankruptcy by medical costs. Most importantly, lives have been saved. This is all good news for our residents, as well as for our state's long-term economic prosperity.
Opponents of reform claim that the Massachusetts experiment is too costly. They are wrong. State estimates and independent analysis from the Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation concur that health-care reform has only added moderate incremental costs to the state budget. As more of our residents have become insured, there has been a decrease in demand for costly emergency-room care. Even in the midst of the current economic downturn, our state budget was balanced.
But the real issue is not the incremental costs of expanding coverage. It's the fact that medical costs—even for those who have always had insurance—are rising too fast.
Massachusetts is poised to lead the nation in addressing this problem, too. A special state commission has unanimously recommended moving away from the "fee for service" practice that drives up costs and fragments care, and replacing it with an alternative payment strategy designed to reward doctors and hospitals for providing coordinated care that achieves the best health outcomes for patients and lowers costs. As we work to translate this vision into practice, health care in the state will just get better.
We are proud of our success in Massachusetts. But we are also deeply committed to supporting federal health-care reform that will tackle costs and establish important patient protections to guard against some of the worst insurance-industry practices, including exorbitant out-of-pocket expenses, co-pays and deductibles that drive many families into bankruptcy. Working families and businesses have been waiting too long for relief.
I'm, Not A Racist...
For you to call me a "racist" is truly wrong. You're judgemental in a hateful way, and like the Democrats and Joe Wilson, you owe me an apology!
For you to call me a "racist" is truly wrong. You're judgemental in a hateful way, and like the Democrats and Joe Wilson, you owe me an apology!
You Speak the Truth....
AMEN...You said a lot in a very short space, brother. I :applause: you!
AMEN...You said a lot in a very short space, brother. I :applause: you!
Does anyone here think Deval Patrick could possibly be an objective source on this ?
I will take that as an ultimate compliment! TYVM, Alatide. To answer your crazy question... "Nope... I'm me, Tom, from Cedar Rapids, Iowa, not OldRegular, but thanks for asking."
From wikipedia
It's so simple, why can't you see that the plan itself is what's making health care costs spike!? When the STATE is telling the health industry what they'll pay for a specific procedure and then FORCE them to accept that for that procedure, the hospitals have no alternative but to pass the costs that aren't covered by state reimbursements on to others!
The State is guilty of fraud and theft.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_reform#Outcomes
It's so simple, why can't you see that the plan itself is what's making health care costs spike!? When the STATE is telling the health industry what they'll pay for a specific procedure and then FORCE them to accept that for that procedure, the hospitals have no alternative but to pass the costs that aren't covered by state reimbursements on to others!
The State is guilty of fraud and theft.
saturneptune
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No, actually Old Regular and I are the same person. We went to different schools together. If you turn to the Sci-Fi Channel, you can occasionally catch episodes of the Twilight Zone.
No I am Old Regular - I used to be GARBC :thumbsup:
Didn't you see that eposide of "To Tell the Truth"
OldRegular
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Thanks for the help fellows! Every time I go off my meds these people keep popping up. As long as they are not like "whoever" I guess it is Okay!