Why I Left the Republican Party

[Revmitchell]

As I said, the Republican party does not want to end abortion. It would cost them votes. Simple enough for you to understand?

Who cares what you said. The evidence says otherwise. I would say that is simple enough.

 

[Aaron]

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Don't be upset with me. Be upset with Matthew ... or God. I didn't write Matthew. But if you can show me where the judgement scene speaks about the unborn then do so.

My point was that from this description of the final judgment and from Jesus teachings it is obvious that God and Jesus considered how we treat others as very important.

Notice in the passage the judge does not take into consideration what those being judged believed or what they thought, he judged them on how they treated others.

Remember those on his left, the goats, were the ones who would not help those who were ill, in prison, etc.

Other verses speaking to this:

I'm growing very disgusted with the moderators and administrators of this board.

Really?

This gets an answer?

OK. I'll answer this devil according to his folly. Ban me for calling him (or her) a devil if you want. What is honor among folks who suffer this murderous vomit? It doesn't have to be that judgement scene. What a lame defense.

If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. —Moses.
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And I've seen the corrupted interpretations trying to say it wasn't about the fruit, also called a CHILD, but about injury to the woman. That's just B.S. And your breath smells of it.

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[church mouse guy]

Of course they are alive.



Which arguments. I am simply pro life before birth and after birth. Not many folk who are against abortion are pro-life after birth. Supporting capital punishment is simply one example of their being pro-death.



So, you have already decided what my answer should be to make you happy. Sorry, it isn't my answer.

You people in Prague owe a lot of reparations for all the lives that you cost. Have you ever compensated the family of Reinhard Heydrich?

 

[Crabtownboy]

I'm growing very disgusted with the moderators and administrators of this board.

Really?

This gets an answer?

OK. I'll answer this devil according to his folly. Ban me for calling him (or her) a devil if you want. What is honor among folks who suffer this murderous vomit? It doesn't have to be that judgement scene. What a lame defense.

If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. —Moses.
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And I've seen the corrupted interpretations trying to say it wasn't about the fruit, also called a CHILD, but about injury to the woman. That's just B.S. And your breath smells of it.

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My question and request was about the final judgment scene in Matthew. You quoted the OT ... and it is not about God's judgement. So, again, please show me where in the final judgment scene where it shows anything about abortion. It isn't there. You have not answered my question or request in any meaningful way. The judgment is on how we treat others who are or were alive ... already born.

This has nothing to do with believing in life before birth.

You quoted the OT. Have you read any commentaries on the meaning of this passage?

 

[Crabtownboy]

You people in Prague owe a lot of reparations for all the lives that you cost. Have you ever compensated the family of Reinhard Heydrich?

Do you admire Reinhard Heydrich?

 

[Don]

CTB - I can't fathom the logic you're trying to use.

You say that the judgment scene in Matthew is about how we treat the living, but doesn't mention those that are unborn. Then you say the unborn are living. So your implication is that the passage you mention regards all the living EXCEPT for the unborn.

You specify that the passage is about how we treat others; but apparently ignore that killing others (abortion) is an example of how we treat others.

I am extremely confused about what you actually believe regarding abortion.

 

[Crabtownboy]

CTB - I can't fathom the logic you're trying to use.

You say that the judgment scene in Matthew is about how we treat the living, but doesn't mention those that are unborn. Then you say the unborn are living. So your implication is that the passage you mention regards all the living EXCEPT for the unborn.

Not at all. In one, I was answering a question.

In the other I was pointing out that we are going to be judged on how we treat each other.

You specify that the passage is about how we treat others; but apparently ignore that killing others (abortion) is an example of how we treat others.

There is only one verse in the entire Bible that can remotely be considered to speak about abortion ... and that is even a stretch to do so ... and even that verse comes down on the side of the mother. There are other verses that people use in trying to prove their point, but on close examination of context they do not fit.

I am against abortion ... but I do believe you cannot prove this position with scripture. All of us have beliefs that, in reality, cannot be prove or disproved by scripture. It is life. Life is not always simple.

I think, and say this gently, that many take a position and try to fit the Bible into their cubbyhole and become very agitated when someone points out that it doesn't fit.

All of Christ's teaching lean heavily toward the importance of how we treat each other. He did not dwell on what we believe. My personal belief is that he believed that how we treated others shows what we believe. I agree with this. It is expressed well in James, "Faith without works is dead". The entire verse:

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

is more sharply pointed in its expression and, to me, meaning.

Works do not save, but show me your works and I will show you your faith ... what you really believe.

Don, I don't know if this helps or not. This is a hot button topic for many.

 

[Aaron]

My question and request was about the final judgment scene in Matthew.

No it wasn't. It was about hallowing a diabolical practice by wrenching a segment of Scripture from its context.

You quoted the OT ... and it is not about God's judgement.

Yeah it is. Life for a life.

So, again, please show me where in the final judgment scene where it shows anything about abortion. It isn't there.

Where are gluttons, harlots and whoremongers mentioned? Think they'll escape judgment?

You have not answered my question or request in any meaningful way.

Actually I have—in the most meaningful way. You mean the unborn are not living. I've shown the light on your hypocrisy while you attempt to escape by employing arbitrary and antichrist hermeneutics to a passage wrenched from its context.

You are attempting to marginalize the life of the unborn. You constantly contrast them to the—in your words—"living." It's the unborn vs the living,

the unborn vs the living

the unborn vs the living

Ever and anon with you, it's the unborn vs the living.

Watch, here it comes again:

The judgment is on how we treat others who are or were alive ... already born.

I have not mistaken your meaning. No one has.

 

[Aaron]

As for the unborn. The Spirit testifies and uses the term "child." The unborn are our fellow men. The weakest of all, and the ones most in need of nurturing and protection. Will our resident Marxists assert that Christ says less about one class of children than another?

Christ entered humanity at conception. In all ways He was made like unto his brethren, and is our substitute from conception to the grave.

 

[Crabtownboy]

As for the unborn. The Spirit testifies and uses the term "child." The unborn are our fellow men. The weakest of all, and the ones most in need of nurturing and protection. Will our resident Marxists assert that Christ says less about one class of children than another?

If you believe that infants and the unborn can be lost, that is not saved, you might have a point. I believe they are saved.

Also, they cannot be judged on how they treat others, as in feeding the hungry, visiting those in jail, etc. so your point is a red herring and meaningless.

Christ entered humanity at conception. In all ways He was made like unto his brethren, and is our substitute from conception to the grave.

I have no problem with that statement. But it does not speak to this discussion.

 

[Crabtownboy]

No it wasn't. It was about hallowing a diabolical practice by wrenching a segment of Scripture from its context.

Which is what you do if you try to attach the Matthew passage to the unborn or even to infants.



Where are gluttons, harlots and whoremongers mentioned? Think they'll escape judgment?

Has no meaning in our discussion.

Actually I have—in the most meaningful way. You mean the unborn are not living. I've shown the light on your hypocrisy while you attempt to escape by employing arbitrary and antichrist hermeneutics to a passage wrenched from its context.

Not what I said. Try reading it again and try to understand.

You are attempting to marginalize the life of the unborn. You constantly contrast them to the—in your words—"living." It's the unborn vs the living,

the unborn vs the living

the unborn vs the living

Not at all. I am attempting to show that both abortion and mistreatment of others and capital punishment is wrong. If you are not for the good treatment of others and against capital punishment you are only partly pro-life.

 

[Don]

Not at all. In one, I was answering a question.

In the other I was pointing out that we are going to be judged on how we treat each other.




There is only one verse in the entire Bible that can remotely be considered to speak about abortion ... and that is even a stretch to do so ... and even that verse comes down on the side of the mother. There are other verses that people use in trying to prove their point, but on close examination of context they do not fit.

I am against abortion ... but I do believe you cannot prove this position with scripture. All of us have beliefs that, in reality, cannot be prove or disproved by scripture. It is life. Life is not always simple.

I think, and say this gently, that many take a position and try to fit the Bible into their cubbyhole and become very agitated when someone points out that it doesn't fit.

All of Christ's teaching lean heavily toward the importance of how we treat each other. He did not dwell on what we believe. My personal belief is that he believed that how we treated others shows what we believe. I agree with this. It is expressed well in James, "Faith without works is dead". The entire verse:

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

is more sharply pointed in its expression and, to me, meaning.

Works do not save, but show me your works and I will show you your faith ... what you really believe.

Don, I don't know if this helps or not. This is a hot button topic for many.

Didn't help a lick, and here's why: You made the following statement -- "My personal belief is that he believed that how we treated others shows what we believe."

So people who support and even encourage abortion--the killing of unborn children--what does that show you about what they believe?

 

[church mouse guy]

Do you admire Reinhard Heydrich?

It is not about me, CTB, but about your opinions in Prague. You have said that pro-life means anti-death penalty. Since you represent nearly all Europeans on this topic, I would suppose that you would be against what happened to Reinhard Heydrich on his way to work.

Also, you say that there is no Scripture against abortion--how about Thou shalt not murder?

Finally, CBT, your point about the GOP being for the rich, etc., is becoming increasingly irrelevant as the USA is moving towards a one-party system with only the Democrats left standing as we go to open borders and accept another ten to forty million immigrants from Asia, Africa, and Latin America. Living in Prague, CBT, you probably don't realize how many people from Africa and Asia we already have even in a small place like Indianapolis.

 

[Aaron]

Not at all. I am attempting to show that both abortion and mistreatment of others and capital punishment is wrong. If you are not for the good treatment of others and against capital punishment you are only partly pro-life.
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No you're not. You are doing as I stated above. I'm done indulging your witless pretenses.

You are pro-abortion.

 

[HankD]

Proverbs 6

16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.​

HankD​

 

[Revmitchell]

You cannot be pro-life and support Planned Parenthood

 

[Crabtownboy]

It is not about me, CTB, but about your opinions in Prague. You have said that pro-life means anti-death penalty. Since you represent nearly all Europeans on this topic, I would suppose that you would be against what happened to Reinhard Heydrich on his way to work.

You are attempting to change the discussion again. Heydrich was assassinated ... which is not capital punishment.

And as you brought him up, do you admire him?

Also, you say that there is no Scripture against abortion--how about Thou shalt not murder?

That is about the living. It says nothing about the unborn. If you want to skew one commandment you have to skew them all.

Finally, CBT, your point about the GOP being for the rich, etc., is becoming increasingly irrelevant as the USA is moving towards a one-party system with only the Democrats left standing as we go to open borders and accept another ten to forty million immigrants from Asia, Africa, and Latin America. Living in Prague, CBT, you probably don't realize how many people from Africa and Asia we already have even in a small place like Indianapolis.

You do not keep up very well. I am not in Prague and will never live there again as the seminary is no longer there.

And you have no idea how many people from Africa and Asia live where I live ... or how many there are in Europe.

Face it, you are not totally pro-life.

 

[church mouse guy]

You are attempting to change the discussion again. Heydrich was assassinated ... which is not capital punishment.

And as you brought him up, do you admire him?



That is about the living. It says nothing about the unborn. If you want to skew one commandment you have to skew them all.




You do not keep up very well. I am not in Prague and will never live there again as the seminary is no longer there.

And you have no idea how many people from Africa and Asia live where I live ... or how many there are in Europe.

Face it, you are not totally pro-life.

Oh, I see my error. I thought that the unborn child was alive.

No, I am not pro-life if by that you mean that I would not execute Mussolini, for example.

As for the GOP, they are heading into oblivion. It's a brave new world, CBT, and you will be one of the kings of it.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

You are attempting to change the discussion again. Heydrich was assassinated ... which is not capital punishment.

Pretty much the same result, though, isn't it? OK, how about someone who had a trial? Adolf Eichmann. Do you support his execution?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Didn't help a lick, and here's why: You made the following statement -- "My personal belief is that he believed that how we treated others shows what we believe."

So people who support and even encourage abortion--the killing of unborn children--what does that show you about what they believe?

Excellent, Don.

Just a side question/observation. C.T.Boy is saying his ambivalence on abortion stems from the lack of scriptural reference to it, yet you saw what he had to say to people who asked him where slavery was called "evil" is the bible.