Why I will no longer say "God Bless America"

Gina you are a very good writer, I have read some of your poetry which is also very good...I will have to write you one:type: ...you know progressives are the creative ones which goes back to praise for Jesus the Artist who was the creative attribute of the Trinity.

What ever happened to you on myspace...you had a single song on it that was really deeply soothing.

Thankyou for your creativity it is a gift from you know who.

 

That is a great point. People are judging "blessing" by material greatness, and I always found it ironic that the same people would then be criticizing communism and secular culture for its "materialism" would view God's "blessing" in terms of material prosperity. America's material greatness can also be attibuted to the conquests and other sins, and thus may be apart of a curse. Perhaps that was what paved the way for all the other sins we complain about; especially when many children looked at the hypocrisy of their parents professing Christianity, and then doing all the horrible things that occured in our history. Has it ever occurred to anyone that all the rebellion such as the sexual revolution and removal of God from the public sphere might be part of God's judgement, rather than the cause of it? That God is simply stripping us of the false religiosity we took pride in? The material prosperity is one of the biggest things that led to decadence, and the feeling one doesn't need God in the first place! Rather than a blessing, it may be God "giving us over" to our idols.

As I said in another thread, the utter shock that people in this country would do these things and quoting a scripture like the oft cited 2 Chron.7:14 acts as if everyone is Christian, or that the nation is a church, even. What's wrong with these Americans/Christians? The fact is, most people are not Christians. A large number do not even profess to be, and others are admittedly culturally Christian, and basically eclectic (all religions are the same, etc). This disillusionment with the country is the natural fruit of the "Christian America" doctrine, and should show us that it is wrong. We expect too much from a society of fallen people. So all of these people today are basically living out their beliefs. As Michael Horton, Beyond Culture Wars points out, why are we mad at the world for being "worldly"? Out job is to be witnesses to then for Christ, but instead it seems we want to just be able to snap our fingers and have everyone respond as Christians.

 

"A friend of mine once told me, when we together faced a struggling organization, we have a choice to make. We can run away and leave it all behind, or stay and fight to make things better.

Running away in this situation may be easier for the short term, but if things continue as they are in our country, there will be no escape for any of us. Finances, ethics, security, and our very existence hang in the balance, for us and our children.

Staying and fighting is never easy, but it is what must be done."

- Steve Adams, Independent 2008 Presidential Candidate

 

Thanks!
That page should still be there. I just don't touch it. A friend signs in and checks on occasion and let's me know if someone needs to contact me.
The song I stuck on there is a ballad for solo alto but I have no idea who the artist is.
However, if you enjoyed that you should look up Melodie Moderato done with Alexander Rudin. It's beautiful in much the same way as that piece.
The song I ORIGINALLY wanted on there but couldn't figure out how to get it there is Habanera (from Carmen) done by Erve Monroe and Patsi Fletcher on the flute and harp. It's my favorite piece at the moment.

Ok, back to the topic. Don't wanna be a hi-jacker in a politics forum.

 

There is no good reason God should continue to have mercy on all sinful mankind in every nation except for the fact that he has sovereignly chosen to by his good and perfect will. When you were lost and an enemy of God, what good reason was there to compell God to love you and save you. God is still in control no matter how anyone votes and his will is done.

If you don't want to be compared to Fred Phelps, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, then stop talking like them and wishing for the destruction of America. In the Old Testament, the prophets of God lamented the sin of their own nations and prayed for mercy. In the New Testament, Jesus prayed for forgiveness of those who were crucifying him. In the 21st Century, LE, Robertson, Falwell, and Phelps pray for the judgment of God against their own nation. I don't think it is a Biblical attitude and hope you will re-think YOUR mean spirited rant which brings certain doom among our soldiers and against my family. Nothing I said to you is even close to being half as mean as you wishing destruction upon your own country.

Joseph Botwinick

 

No, He does not. I suggest that you read the New Testament.

 

Perhaps, I was a bit too harsh in my judgment. This statement does actually remind me of one prophet of God from the Old Testament. His name was Jonah.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Of course I do. I don't, however, see this passage hoping the destruction will be "swift and unmistakable". When you long for this day of judgment, just who are you wanting God to judge?

LE,

Do you believe that Jesus' prayer for those who crucified him is applicable to 2006? How about the prayers of the Old Testament prophets begging God for his mercy?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Clearly, "them" refers to the individuals as He talks about the sheep and goats and the actions(or non-actions) of individuals, not nations.

Sorry to need to say this, LE, but your understanding of the Bible is flawed because of your incorrect eschatology.

 

1. You are praying for God's judgment:

2. The prophets not only preaches doom and judgment. They also prayed for mercy to God. I don't see you doing this.

3. I am not asking you to ask God to bless it. I don't want God to bless evil. I am asking that you pray for mercy and grace. That should be part of what we seek as the people of God (Micah 6:8).

Joseph Botwinick

 

America Bless God !

 

Amen! God has already blessed America for centuries with his unmerited favor, grace and mercy by his own sovereign will. He might continue to do so, and he may not. I pray that God will continue to show mercy for the sake of all of us.

Joseph Botwinick

 

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Originally Posted by Ed Edwards

Amen, Brother Joseph_Botwinick - you are so RIGHT ON ! :thumbs:

 

But America is not the Church. Christians have been forgiven, but that will not change everyone else int he land. We could probably do a better job of being witnesses to Christ, but still, Christ called us His "little flock", and never said we would convert a whole 200 million people physical nation. We are the spiritual nation God is working with now.

This is the final judgment of the entire world at His return. This is when all the nations will be judged. I don't know why you're expecting some other special judgment just for America or any other nation individually.