WHY IS "HEALING IN ATONEMENT" DENIED?

[1689Dave]

Even though Isaiah 53:4 states clearly about Christ's atonement to include healing why is it denied by the Cessationists?

Cessationists seek medical doctors for healing and do not sell all their possessions and give them to the poor but yet criticise christians as greedy who have faith in Christ's atonement to meet their needs for healing & finances.

You may post your opinions and hardships faced due to denial of healing in atonement (snip)

Go raise some dead people, and then speak with authority. The prayer of faith heals the sick. But most faith today comes from the flesh and not the Holy Spirit. It fails in all attempts at healing except for psychosomatic healings.

Only the Apostles had the gifts along with those they laid hands on. Are all Apostles Paul once asked?

 

[Steven_15]

Dr Luke was obviously unneeded and Timothy's prescription to take a little wine for his stomach ailment was unnecessary.
Steven, why don't you go live on a deserted island for 10 years and then return to us to report on your experience.

For a change give up worshipping doctors/wine & try worshipping Christ who has healing in His atonement.

Presently you are hopeless without Christ for healing. Poor soul.

 

[Steven_15]

Go raise some dead people, and then speak with authority. The prayer of faith heals the sick. But most faith today comes from the flesh and not the Holy Spirit. It fails in all attempts at healing except for psychosomatic healings.

Only the Apostles had the gifts along with those they laid hands on. Are all Apostles Paul once asked?

Don't look to experiences but to Christ who has healing in His atonement.

Don't wait for apostles to perform sign healings. Trust in Christ's atonement to heal.

 

[1689Dave]

Don't look to experiences but to Christ who has healing in His atonement.

Don't wait for apostles to perform sign healings. Trust in Christ's atonement to heal.

But, people claiming the gifts cannot prove they have them because they don't. And it's wrong to say cessationists don't believe and pray for healing because they do.

 

[Steven_15]

But, people claiming the gifts cannot prove they have them because they don't. And it's wrong to say cessationists don't believe and pray for healing because they do.

Don't be too obsessed about sign healers.

The question isn't prayers to be healed but prayers done by faith in Christ's atonement which includes healing according to Isaiah 53:4. Prayers for healing without faith in Christ's atonement to heal don't please God. Because without faith (in Christ's atonement) it's impossible to please God.

 

[Revmitchell]

Where do these guys come from? They seem to be coming out-of the woodwork lately.

 

[Particular]

For a change give up worshipping doctors/wine & try worshipping Christ who has healing in His atonement.

Presently you are hopeless without Christ for healing. Poor soul.

Question: Did Jesus heal people before he atoned for the sins of his chosen?
Next question: Did Jesus heal people who never knew his saving grace?

Your entire assertion about " healing in his atonement" is something you have been taught by man, not taught by scripture. You have replaced the King with a magic talisman you call "healing in his atonement."
The single Bible verses, you pluck out of context, do not support your assertion of "healing in atonement."

God is not thwarted by anything. God's power to heal is not drained by those who lack the gift of faith. God is not stopped by a person who thinks the Apostolic healing ministry has ceased. God is never thwarted from fulfilling His Sovereign will.
God may heal directly, if He chooses. He may use doctors scalpels and surgical technicians. He may use simple medication. God may choose to have us die and not physically heal our ailments.
God has used Joni Erickson Tada in great and amazing ways ever since He ordained her paraplegia 40 years ago. She has met with Presidents and shared the gospel with millions. These are things she wouldn't have done had God not given her this affliction. Would she want to be healed today? I'm sure she would. But, God has given her this "light and momentary" affliction so that in glory she might wear the crown of life. To her he will say, "Enter in to my fellowship, oh good and faithful servant."
Steven, you have shown no understanding of Biblical truth and have thus shown your true nature. There is no longer any reason for any of us to dialogue any further with you on this matter. May God break the chains you have about you.

 

[1689Dave]

Don't be too obsessed about sign healers.

The question isn't prayers to be healed but prayers done by faith in Christ's atonement which includes healing according to Isaiah 53:4. Prayers for healing without faith in Christ's atonement to heal don't please God. Because without faith (in Christ's atonement) it's impossible to please God.

What if God uses a doctor in answer to prayer? Paul could no longer heal in the Epistles and put Timothy on medicine instead....

 

[Steven_15]

Question: Did Jesus heal people before he atoned for the sins of his chosen?
Next question: Did Jesus heal people who never knew his saving grace?

Your entire assertion about " healing in his atonement" is something you have been taught by man, not taught by scripture. You have replaced the King with a magic talisman you call "healing in his atonement."
The single Bible verses, you pluck out of context, do not support your assertion of "healing in atonement."

God is not thwarted by anything. God's power to heal is not drained by those who lack the gift of faith. God is not stopped by a person who thinks the Apostolic healing ministry has ceased. God is never thwarted from fulfilling His Sovereign will.
God may heal directly, if He chooses. He may use doctors scalpels and surgical technicians. He may use simple medication. God may choose to have us die and not physically heal our ailments.
God has used Joni Erickson Tada in great and amazing ways ever since He ordained her paraplegia 40 years ago. She has met with Presidents and shared the gospel with millions. These are things she wouldn't have done had God not given her this affliction. Would she want to be healed today? I'm sure she would. But, God has given her this "light and momentary" affliction so that in glory she might wear the crown of life. To her he will say, "Enter in to my fellowship, oh good and faithful servant."
Steven, you have shown no understanding of Biblical truth and have thus shown your true nature. There is no longer any reason for any of us to dialogue any further with you on this matter. May God break the chains you have about you.

Rubbish ignorance. Simply because sins were forgiven before Christ doesn't nullify healing through faith in the atonement.

You are the one who is bound by the chain of apostasy and paganism which seeks God but despises the only Mediator Christ.

 

[Steven_15]

What if God uses a doctor in answer to prayer? Paul could no longer heal in the Epistles and put Timothy on medicine instead....

You are confusing between sign healings and healings by faith. If one trusts a medical doctor instead of Christ as the mediator / Messiah to bring healing from God through His atonement, he is an apostate.

 

[Steven_15]

Where do these guys come from? They seem to be coming out-of the woodwork lately.

I usually put those who respond with (snip) replies on ignore.

 

[1689Dave]

You are confusing between sign healings and healings by faith. If one trusts a medical doctor instead of Christ as the mediator / Messiah to bring healing from God through His atonement, he is an apostate.

I know many of 100 dead people who believed just as you do.

“Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.” (2 Timothy 4:20) (KJV 1900)
“Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach’s sake and thine often infirmities.” (1 Timothy 5:23) (KJV 1900)
“Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all. Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first. And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.” (Galatians 4:12–15) (KJV 1900)
(alternate translation of the above passage) “you know that previously I preached the gospel to you because of a physical illness. You did not despise or reject me though my physical condition was a trial for you. On the contrary, you received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus Himself.” (Galatians 4:13–14)(HCSB)
“What happened to this sense of being blessed you had? For I testify to you that, if possible, you would have torn out your eyes and given them to me.” (Galatians 4:15)(HCSB)
“For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick. For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.” (Philippians 2:26–27) (KJV 1900)
Paul left Trophimus in Miletus when he was sick (II Tim 4:20), and Epaphroditus was sick to the point of death (Phil 2:27). Timothy was encouraged to use wine for his stomach ailments (1 Tim 5:23). God never removed Paul's thorn in the flesh (II Cor 12:1-10).

 

[Revmitchell]

I usually put those who respond with (snip) replies on ignore.

You feel free to do that bub.

 

[Yeshua1]

Go raise some dead people, and then speak with authority. The prayer of faith heals the sick. But most faith today comes from the flesh and not the Holy Spirit. It fails in all attempts at healing except for psychosomatic healings.

Only the Apostles had the gifts along with those they laid hands on. Are all Apostles Paul once asked?

Those teachers in the WoF claim to have raised the dead, to do miracles galore, yet NEVER can demonstrate just i real healing or miracle! the pharisees hated Jesus, but Never said that he did no healings or miracles among them!

 

[Yeshua1]

For a change give up worshipping doctors/wine & try worshipping Christ who has healing in His atonement.

Presently you are hopeless without Christ for healing. Poor soul.

God can and still does do healing today, vast majority of the time thru doctors and medicine and surgery, but far greater healing is the spritual kind!

 

[1689Dave]

Those teachers in the WoF claim to have raised the dead, to do miracles galore, yet NEVER can demonstrate just i real healing or miracle! the pharisees hated Jesus, but Never said that he did no healings or miracles among them!

The gifts of the Spirit were for the apostles only, and to those, they laid their hands on. Besides the two outpourings. Go raise some dead and prove your claims.

 

[37818]

The gifts of the Spirit were for the apostles only, . . .

Where do you from the word of God come up with that?

 

[Yeshua1]

Where do you from the word of God come up with that?

Hebrews, as the gift of healing waned at end of pauls lifetime!

 

[37818]

Hebrews, as the gift of healing waned at end of pauls lifetime!

That does not answer my question. Luke and Mark were prophets to the church and not Apostles, see Ephesians 2:20.

 

[Steven_15]

I know many of 100 dead people who believed just as you do.

“Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.” (2 Timothy 4:20) (KJV 1900)
“Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach’s sake and thine often infirmities.” (1 Timothy 5:23) (KJV 1900)
“Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all. Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first. And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.” (Galatians 4:12–15) (KJV 1900)
(alternate translation of the above passage) “you know that previously I preached the gospel to you because of a physical illness. You did not despise or reject me though my physical condition was a trial for you. On the contrary, you received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus Himself.” (Galatians 4:13–14)(HCSB)
“What happened to this sense of being blessed you had? For I testify to you that, if possible, you would have torn out your eyes and given them to me.” (Galatians 4:15)(HCSB)
“For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick. For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.” (Philippians 2:26–27) (KJV 1900)
Paul left Trophimus in Miletus when he was sick (II Tim 4:20), and Epaphroditus was sick to the point of death (Phil 2:27). Timothy was encouraged to use wine for his stomach ailments (1 Tim 5:23). God never removed Paul's thorn in the flesh (II Cor 12:1-10).

Rubbish.
Millions died under the treatment of doctors.

You wrongly think those verses you quoted disprove Mark 9:23 but those verses go on to prove those who were sick either had chosen to remain sick by faith in Christ's atonement or had to have believed in order to be healed according to Mark 9:23 which is, through Christ's atonement according to Isaiah 53:4.