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why is homosexuality sin?
- Thread starter GODzThunder
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Yes, you're correct.
There are several abominations listed in scripture. We often get hung up on the "man laying with a man" topic, but we need to keep in mind that we're to refrain from all abominations. Alas, probably all of us here, myself included, have been guilty of at least one or two from time to time, from we need to turn.
Charles Meadows
New Member
Deut 25:16:
..."and all those that do unrighteously are an abomination unto the Lord God."
Homosexuality is an abomination - but no more than any other sin.
..."and all those that do unrighteously are an abomination unto the Lord God."
Homosexuality is an abomination - but no more than any other sin.
So, it's the old 'God hates the sin but not the sinner' thing ?
I'm sure you will be able to argue somehow that God doesn't really mean what He says in this verse, I take it.
It'll be very interesting.
Daniel David
New Member
One thing that needs to be considered is that not only is all sex and lust outside of the marriage between a man and woman sin, but the sin of homosexuality is actually worse that sexual sin that is hetero in nature. The reason being that homosexuality is a judgment upon those who refuse God's order.
When you read Romans 1, you will read that homo behavior is a result of God actively judging people.
Hetero sex is natural and a gift from God. It is sin when it is taken outside of marriage. Homo sex is ALWAYS wrong.
Now, I am just waiting for Johnv to spin this truth with some feminized ideas about Romans 1.
When you read Romans 1, you will read that homo behavior is a result of God actively judging people.
Hetero sex is natural and a gift from God. It is sin when it is taken outside of marriage. Homo sex is ALWAYS wrong.
Now, I am just waiting for Johnv to spin this truth with some feminized ideas about Romans 1.
Haven't we beaten this to death already? This verse doesn't say God withholds his love from the wicked. If that were so, we'd all be out of reach of God's love. This verse says God is angry with the wicked. That ain't the same thing as God "doesn't love" the wicked.
We tend to think of "hate" as the withholding of love, aka, the opposite of love. But this is strictly a western English concept. The OT and NT words that are translated "hate" are not comparative to the OT and NT words we translate "love".
Haven't we beaten this to death already? This verse doesn't say God withholds his love from the wicked. If that were so, we'd all be out of reach of God's love. This verse says God is angry with the wicked. That ain't the same thing as God "doesn't love" the wicked.
We tend to think of "hate" as the withholding of love, aka, the opposite of love. But this is strictly a western English concept. The OT and NT words that are translated "hate" are not comparative to the OT and NT words we translate "love". </font>[/QUOTE]Yeah, like I said, it's going to be interesting.
No, He didn't.
No, He didn't.
What He said was:
Matt 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
or
Matt 5:28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
It's the difference between thinking that is something I would like and thinking that is something I will do.
Marcia
Active Member
God's wrath is on unbelievers -- all unbelievers, homosexual and otherwise. However, "for God so loved the whole world that he sent his own son that whosoever believes on him shall not perish, but have everlasting life."
I think Romans 1 is showing how man's sin leads him further and further from God, and I do believe that prevalent homosexuality or widely accepted homosexuality in a culture is a sign that the society is going further from God. However, we need to also have Christ's love for the lost and, while being clear that homosexuality is a sin, we need to be salt and light in a lost and dark world.
For comparison sake:
I think Romans 1 is showing how man's sin leads him further and further from God, and I do believe that prevalent homosexuality or widely accepted homosexuality in a culture is a sign that the society is going further from God. However, we need to also have Christ's love for the lost and, while being clear that homosexuality is a sin, we need to be salt and light in a lost and dark world.
Note, "And such were some of you."
For comparison sake:
Hi, Marcia:
You said:
But we're talking practicing homosexuals here, probably even homosexual/pedophiles.
I wouldn't trust anyone coming any of my children, or nieces, or nephews, or grandchildren or those of my friends who is a practicing homosexual.
Would anyone of us here leave them alone with our kids in our household ? Yet love demands that we have no pretenses, think no evil.
Like I said in another thread, homosexuals and lesbians are welcome to come in and attend church with us anytime, we'll treat them just like we treat everybody else, member or not, but, that's as far as it goes, even if they profess conversion they will have to understand that immediate membership is not an option.
Why ?
Because homosexuality is a much different sin than murder, or homicide, or rape, or theft, or robbery, or idolatry. Homosexuality is a spirit world problem, it is from the devil himself.
God calls it confusion, and while Sodom may have its share of murderers and adulterers and robbers in its day, the Bible records that it was for the sin of sodomy that it was noted in its day.
You said:
But we're talking practicing homosexuals here, probably even homosexual/pedophiles.
I wouldn't trust anyone coming any of my children, or nieces, or nephews, or grandchildren or those of my friends who is a practicing homosexual.
Would anyone of us here leave them alone with our kids in our household ? Yet love demands that we have no pretenses, think no evil.
Like I said in another thread, homosexuals and lesbians are welcome to come in and attend church with us anytime, we'll treat them just like we treat everybody else, member or not, but, that's as far as it goes, even if they profess conversion they will have to understand that immediate membership is not an option.
Why ?
Because homosexuality is a much different sin than murder, or homicide, or rape, or theft, or robbery, or idolatry. Homosexuality is a spirit world problem, it is from the devil himself.
God calls it confusion, and while Sodom may have its share of murderers and adulterers and robbers in its day, the Bible records that it was for the sin of sodomy that it was noted in its day.
Blazin4Christ
New Member
the reason why homosexuality is wrong is because, God created men and woman different sexes and passion for different sexes for 3 reasons,
#1, Pro-creation(children)
#2, a pleasure (yes, a pleasure)
#3, to make a strong bond between husband and wife
but people try to justiofy homosexuality by these things
#1 People are naturally born with this desire of homosexuality - this is wrong, no one is born wqith it, they adapt to it, because we are allcreated with Passion for the other
#2 It is mental illness - It is NOT a mental illness, it is personal choice
#3 It is love with a twist thats all - this isn't love, love is the bond of husband and wife, not wife and wife and husband and husband
#1, Pro-creation(children)
#2, a pleasure (yes, a pleasure)
#3, to make a strong bond between husband and wife
but people try to justiofy homosexuality by these things
#1 People are naturally born with this desire of homosexuality - this is wrong, no one is born wqith it, they adapt to it, because we are allcreated with Passion for the other
#2 It is mental illness - It is NOT a mental illness, it is personal choice
#3 It is love with a twist thats all - this isn't love, love is the bond of husband and wife, not wife and wife and husband and husband
GODzThunder
New Member
blazin if homosexuality is not a love then what is it then? This is the question I am trying to answer. What exactly is it if not love. What is the base emotion?
Rebellion.
Actually, most pedophiles are middle-aged heterosexual white males. Pedophilia in the homosexual community is rare.
I'm not a defender of homosexual behavior (or of any sexual behavior outside of marriage), but Sodom was not destroyed because of homosxual fornication. Read the story for yourself from beginning to end.
Marcia
Active Member
But we're talking practicing homosexuals here, probably even homosexual/pedophiles.
I wouldn't trust anyone coming any of my children, or nieces, or nephews, or grandchildren or those of my friends who is a practicing homosexual.
Would anyone of us here leave them alone with our kids in our household ? Yet love demands that we have no pretenses, think no evil.
Like I said in another thread, homosexuals and lesbians are welcome to come in and attend church with us anytime, we'll treat them just like we treat everybody else, member or not, but, that's as far as it goes, even if they profess conversion they will have to understand that immediate membership is not an option.
</font>[/QUOTE]Do you think I'm defending homosexuality? Please re-read my post. I don't get why you are saying all this to me.
You think homosexuality is from the devil but murder and rape aren't? Where is Biblical support for this view?
GODzThunder
New Member
In God's eyes white lies are tickets to hell just as much as murder. Sin is sin is sin.
It is man who justifies and reasons the levels of sin.
It is man who justifies and reasons the levels of sin.
Rebellion. </font>[/QUOTE]But one could say that about any behavior that is arbitrarily ruled unacceptable. Let's say I tell my kids not to give to charity, and then a question similar to the one in this thread is posed: what makes them giving to charity wrong? After all, isn't it love and charity causing them to give? Your answer would be, as it was there, rebellion. My question to you is, do you really believe that people engage in homosexual behavior because they desire to be in rebellion to God. The obvious and common-sense answer is no.