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Why is the South leading the nation in unwed births???

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by ASLANSPAL, Oct 18, 2005.

  1. Filmproducer

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    Today there are nurseries IN THE SCHOOL for these unwed children.

    I agree that there is not a stigma placed on pre-marital sex and teen pregnancy, and it is a shame. I must admit, though, that these girls need an education. If it were not for daycare in schools, many of these girls would not finish high school. IMO, not finishing school would lead to greater poverty and a greater dependence on the state. It is a catch-22 situation.

    If you look at the most recent stats, (2003), from the National Office of Vital Statistics teen pregnancy is, and has been, declining for the past few years. I pray this trend continues. Please note this is not unwed mothers, but teen mothers.
     
  2. gb93433

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    Take a look at where the Navigators began. Take a look at where Campus Crusade began. Take a look at where Focus on the Family began. Take a look at where Hume Lake Christian Camps is, how it began and who started it.
     
  3. Scarlett O.

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    I can't believe that in the year 2005, there are STILL people who want to "put away" teenage girls who are pregnant and try to keep it some big secret.

    Kick them out school! Send them to a relative in another state! It's a bunch of hooey.

    Are we STILL so hardened towards women, even young women? I thought we were supposed to be hardened towards sin, not people.

    Yes, teenage girls who are pregnant have fouled up. Yes, they have sinned most grievously. Yes, they have found themselves in a life-altering dilemma.

    But to deny her an opportunity for a high school diploma is taking away ANY opportunity she has for taking care of herself and her child. She will be forever dependent on family, food stamps, welfare, and she will pass that tradition on to her children.

    And nobody seems to expressing any concern at all about the boys. The boys who IMPREGNATE these girls aren't kicked out. They don't have to hide from the community. In fact, it's usually their "badge of honor". You know, " ;) , good going, son!"

    I taught school for over two decades and I, unfortunately, saw at least 15-20 students and/or former students become pregant before they graduated.

    And not once, NOT ONCE, did their boyfriend pay a price of any kind. They were never asked to leave school, never suspended, never ridiculed, never made to feel ashamed, and certainly never made the brunt of vicious gossip.

    As long as we are STILL, STILL allowing boys to believe that an active sex life automatically brings them into manhood and that "locker-room boasting" is where you separate the men from the boys, then we are NEVER going to have a significant decrease in unwed mothers associated with shame and reproach and children being bastardized.

    Why is the South leading the way?

    ~Poverty

    ~Ignorance

    ~The church and fundamentally conservative families arrogantly believing that if you just tell children that pre-marital sex is a sin, that no teenagers will have pre-martial sex.

    ~The Good Ol' Boy Syndrome

    ~Girls having a lack of understanding that they can be anything that they want to be in life, that's it's alright to aspire to something worthwhile other than making a boy "happy" to "keep" him and thereby, with HIS approval, being found worthy to the world.

    ~And a GROSS lack of conversations between parents and children about sex, fidelity, and purity.

    Our collectives heads are in the sand.

    We want to brand our girls and their fatherless babies, but no one, not the church nor parents want to have a dialogue with young people and TEACH them anything about sex, because there is this puritanical fear that if you talk about sex with a young person that they will become curious and experimental.

    Oops! Too late!

    They already are curious. They have been curious since before puberty.

    And unfortunately, many of them have longed passed the experimental stage of sex.

    Peace-
    Scarlett O.
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  4. LadyEagle

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    There didn't seem to be so many unwed births or unwed abortions, either, back in the olden days before sex education became the norm in public schools and back before "educators" instructed students how to apply certain "birth control devices."

    Oh, and we didn't have daycare and nurseries back then, either. But we didn't listen to junk music glorifying drugs, lawlessness, and denigrating women. And we didn't have nakedness and loose morals and living together flaunted at us from the Big Screen or from our living rooms like pablum. I miss Ozzie and Harriet.
     
  5. Filmproducer

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    Amen! [​IMG]

    There should be a repercussions for both girls and boys, but they should not be sent away, etc. Most certainly they need their education. IMO, education is the biggest priority, after God, of course. When I said previously that there is not a stigma for premarital sex and pregnancy I merely meant that it is more acceptable in today's society.
     
  6. Scarlett O.

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    Well, contrary to what many fundamentalist Christians believe, sex education is NOT the norm in the public schools of America.

    We, as educators, in the state of Louisiana CAN'T teach ANYTHING about application of birth control. And that's good.

    By law, we cannot teach abortion as a positive thing or as a substitution for birth control. And that's good.

    By law, we cannot teach homosexuality an ANY context, period. And that's good.

    By law, we CAN teach the reproduction system and an abstinence program.

    The Louisiana Governor's Program on Abstinence (Mike Foster, not our current governor) is one of the absolute best tools for teaching children and teens the truth about the harms of pre-marital sex and the truth about what teen pregnancies and teen diseases will do to your life.

    It's not a scare tactic, but a truth tactic. Those always produce longer term results, because you can actually change a child's mind about casual and flippant sexual contact.

    Scare tactics only work for a brief period of time. Because you only scare them, then fear eventually subsides and they are back to their old behaviors and beliefs.

    I used the Governor's Program quite a bit in 7th and 8th grades. I wanted to use it in 5th and 6th, but our school district said no.

    Here are some things that my students learned from the workbook:

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    • According to the CDC, only about 30%-40% of teenagers are sexually active, NOT all of them like the movies and rock videos portray.</font>
    • Yes, penicillin cures some diseases, but not always. And even in the case of bacterial cures, long lasting effects such as sterility can sometimes not be avoided.</font>
    • If they are getting their sexual information from their classmates, then they are in bad shape. Their classmates don't know any more truth about sex than they do.</font>
    • Not only is it OK to remain pure, but it is smarter, healthier, cooler, and will make them so much happier in the long run.</font>
    • In the 1970's, 1 out of 300 Americans had a sexually transmitted disease. And it was either one of two bacterial diseases.</font>
    • In 2002, 1 out of 4 Americans have a sexually transmitted disease, (when you included HIV and genital herpes). And half of them are NOT curable.</font>
    There is a whole lot more including how to keep yourself from getting into situations that lead to trouble, etc.....

    Sex education is NOT teaching that anything goes.

    Sex education in my state, BY LAW, can only be fidelity, purity, abstinence, KNOWLEDGE of birth control (NOT application of), and reproductive/health information that will save lives.

    I have never had a parent protest what I teach nor complain. In fact, I tell my students that their best source of a confidante is their mother and/or father. Students have written me notes thanking me for informing them on health issues and taking the pressure to follow the "crowd and the world" off of them.

    Ultimately, sex education should be taught in the homes. I still believe that.

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    I do, too, Scarlett. Unfortunately, many children in 2005 have parents who are living with other people (same sex AND opposite sex) who have not bothered to get the little piece of paper from the State saying they are married, OR, are single moms or dads who entertain a lot of sleepover "uncles" and "friends." Even in the Bible belt.

    Glad to see your State of Louisiana does have some high standards regarding sex education, but, unfortunately, many of the other 49 states do not.
     
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    As a followup post, the RA (Representative Assembly) of the National Education Association (NEA) held its annual convention and introduced these:

    Source, not a Christian fundamentalist publication

    In 2005, the NEA again reiterates:

    Source - again, not another Christian fundamentalist publication

    Since the NEA is the largest union representing educators in the United States, I really don't see it as overstating the case that the majority of sex education classes promote the promiscuity alluded to in my OP on this subject. :(
     
  9. Brother James

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    You can criticize the south all you want about this issue, but facts are facts. Without our high Black and latino population unwed births would be the lowest in the nation.
     
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    The fact is that there are more whites on welfare than blacks.
     
  11. LadyEagle

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    Hey, gb93433, nice to see ya. [​IMG] You got stats or links to reinforce your fact? Curious. Because from what I've seen on the web, that doesn't seem to be the case. Thanks for your help. [​IMG]
     
  12. Scarlett O.

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    LadyEagle,

    I'll be the first to tell you that the NEA is an ungodly organization and I, as an educator, have no part of it.

    But just because they are the largest teacher union and the most ungodly, doesn't mean they speak for the majority of teachers nationwide.

    They don't.

    They can rant and rave all they want to and try to implement policy and curriculums, but they really don't have that authority.

    They, quite a long time ago, stopped having the interest of teachers and students at heart and have delved into the politics of education and its manipulation of politics in general.

    The NEA does not represent teachers as a whole nor the majority of them.

    Peace-
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    "The fact is that there are more whites on welfare than blacks"-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The fact is blacks are seven times more likely to be on welfare than whites. The only reason their are slightly more whites on welfare than blacks is because thier are 7 times more whites. This fact of more whites being on welfare is a red herrring disigned to hid the turth and shut up the truth.
     
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    Scarllet M.

    As unfortunant as it is, and as much as we should hold boys accountable and teach them right, it will always be incumbant on girls to maintain their vertue. They contract STDs much more redaly than boys, they will always get saddled whith the kids. It is just the way it is. Girls sould be aware that things aren't equal. They will always have more to loose thant he boys. So they should act like it and watch and maintain thier vertue. It is unfortunant, but it is always going to fall on their sholders.
     
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    No, the truth is that we have an epidemic of sexual activity amongst our precious young people.

    Black.
    White.
    Hispanic.
    Asian.
    Native American.
    Italian.
    Korean.
    French.........

    And what are we to do about it?

    Saying that, "Oh, those people sin worse that we do", is one of the most fruitless things to say in the area of sexual activity in children that I have ever heard.

    I want sexual activity amongst ALL teenagers to come to a dead stop.

    I don't care what color they are nor which race or culture has the highest percentage or sheer volume of unwed mothers and fathers.

    I don't care one whit.

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    "I don't care what color they are nor which race or culture has the highest percentage or sheer volume of unwed mothers and fathers"--------------------------------------------------------------

    Then you don't really want to adress the problem, you want to PC your way around it. That is counter productive. The first step in solving any problem is to correctly id the problem. But you would refuse to do this because it would be politically incorrect.
     
  17. Scarlett O.

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    You don't have to tell me that things aren't equal. My chromosomes are XX and you can better believe that I found that out that hard lesson a long time ago.

    However, just because that's the way things are in this world, does that mean that we have to accept it or not challenge it?

    I fully understand that girls should be taught to protect their virtue. And I agree with that.

    But you know what? I believe that boys should be taught to protect their own purity, also. Boys should be made to seek out their manliness in their holiness.

    I have seen far too many boys who are frightened to death that if they don't give the right "image" to their peers that they will be outcasts.

    You know that playground game, king-of-the-mountain? The game where boys keep shoving each other down until one boy stands on the hill, the king?

    Well, our boys out grow the playground, but not the game. As teenagers, they KEEP shoving each other down, but not necessarily physically.

    They shove each other down by mocking each other's inexperience with liquor, girls, tobacco, drugs, and defiance of authority.

    This is so cruel. I don't see how some boys make it out of adolescence with a sane mind.

    Yeah, that's just the way it is, but it's wrong.

    And we, as a society, need to treat it like it's wrong. Maybe society won't change, but maybe the lives of some of our boys can be changed when they are allowed to feel proud and justified of who they are as virtuous young men.

    Would the world change? No.

    But would it hurt to try? No.

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    "But you know what? I believe that boys should be taught to protect their own purity, also. Boys should be made to seek out their manliness in their holiness."-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    You know I agree with you. But I knew that would get you riled a bit. I agree 100 percent, and I train my son in the manner you describe. He just hit puberty (where did my little boy go, whaaaa!) so I have a speech plained even as we speak. But the bottom line is one rouge boy can impregnate 50 girls, so it will always be incumbant om the ladies to be ladies. Even if I am succesful with my boy as I plan to be.
     
  19. Scarlett O.

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    Ah, how quickly they learn!

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Good luck with your son and God bless him.

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  20. Brother James

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    The fact is that there are more whites on welfare than blacks. </font>[/QUOTE]What does welfare have to do with unwed births? Besides, Blacks make up 13% of the population of the united states. Stands to reason more whites would be recieving government assistance. You ought to check out the F.B.I.'s uniform crime stats and find out how much of the violent crime 13% of the population is responsible for. That's a real eye opener.

    http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/03cius.htm
     
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