Why so down on Peaceful KJVO?

[Rippon]

So now the KJV has become your gold standard. antung that is rendered differenly,such as the NASB must be in error. Is that your stance?

Not "antung";anything!

 

[Logos57]

Yes, I'm KJVO but have no problem with other using version of their own choice so some would say I'm KJVP. My own disagreement is not with the different in Word Style and when I hear a KJVO saying one word is translated this way in the KJV but this way in the NIV (or whatever version one choices to use) I also get angry with the KJVO's opinion.

I guess why I don't care for the modern translation is that they cast doubt on portion of Scripture such as Mark 16:9-20; John 7:53-8:11: I John 5:7-8 to name but a few. When not only is their proof from early Christian leaders quoting these verses but the Bible gives it own evidence to their Inspiration.

I know many honest Christian disagree with this view, which I guess you could say confuses me. Men like Metzerger, (please forgive my poor spelling if I misspelled his name) although I don't agree with his conclusions, I think he was a great scholar trying to give us the Pure Word of God. I truly believe that Metzerger love Christ with all his heart. I guess you could say to my way of thinking is that God is so great He could preserve His Word completely over nearly 2000 years.

Cutter so far I haven't seen anything that bad. I've felt no malice just some minor disagreement. Thank to all on both sides for keeping this from getting to heated. :thumbsup:

 

[Peggy]

I have a parallel Bible which includes the KJV, the Amplified, the New Living Translation, and the Revised Standard Version. I am amazed at how the words and meaning of the Bible spring alive with the newer versions as compared with the KJV.

I was raised KJV, and memorized several hundred verses from it (church school), and still find it difficult to understand.

Sure, it sounds nice when read aloud. But if no one can comprehend it, what use is it? French sounds nice when spoken out loud, too, but I can't understand it.

 

[Bunny]

Honestly, I just can't understand it. Just like I still can't get through Shakespeare! I have NASB(study), TLB, NIV(reading) translations and I might even get a NKJV because I heard that's more understandable, to give it a try. I respect your thoughts on it and if my church only used one specific version then that's what I would bring to church with me. It just seems like my brain is distracted trying to figure out the language and get through all that instead of meditating on the Word itself. Take The Message Bible for an example. It has all those parenthesis and it, to me, isn't easily readable so I have never bothered with it. Am I being clear as mud??
As for the bashing... You can tell me till your purple that KJV is the best or the only correct one and I'll still tell ya...I just don't understand it.

Bunny

:wavey:

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Bunny: Honestly, I just can't understand it. Just like I still can't get through Shakespeare!

HP: From the list of things you say you absolutely are certain of,…..could I possibly have a clue as to your problem? Possibly you have been so indoctrinated in the past with doctrine, it has hampered your understanding.

So you cannot understand the KJV but you can be absolutely certain of :

Bunny: I believe Once Saved Always Saved.
I believe in full immersion baptism with knowledge.
I believe sanctification is a process throughout life, not instantaneous.
I believe women are not to be in authority (teach or preach) alone but can teach co-leading with a male.
I believe The Holy Bible is infallabble and it is all that is necessary in this journey.
I believe in predestination and regeneration.

HP: You have came to a debate forum with your agenda showing, so prepare yourself.:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Rippon]

HP: From the list of things you say you absolutely are certain of,…..could I possibly have a clue as to your problem? Possibly you have been so indoctrinated in the past with doctrine, it has hampered your understanding.

Bunny finds KJV language difficult to understand. Do you comprehend that?

Indoctrinated with doctrine? You have a way with words HP. Doctrine hampers understanding?! Everyone adheres to certain doctrines. Yours are a bit on the unorthodox side as a whole.

So you cannot understand the KJV but you can be absolutely certain of :

Why do you find it so hard to accept the idea that KJV-speak might not be best for a great number of intelligent Christians? Bunny believes certain teachings according to her understanding of the Bible iin other translations.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Rippon: Bunny finds KJV language difficult to understand. Do you comprehend that?

HP: No, in reality I do not. Read her list of things she says she understands absolutely. If you can comprehend those, there is no logical reason one could not understand the KJV in fine order. I am of moderate intelligence and have been reading it all my life with understanding. I believe others could do the same. Far too many ideas change with wording and omissions, and the modern versions are no exception. For starters, how do the many omissions in the new versions help the understanding one whit??? Some wording changes have completely changed the meanings of the texts. How does that help one understand anything better except the doctrinal slant of the modern interpreters/interpolators???

If there was anything I could point to as a specific curse upon the church today, it would be the proliferation of translations of the Word of God we have witnessed in the last hundred years or so. We have not even begun to see the depth of destruction to the Word of God as we shall see more clearly in the near future as the proliferation that has been undertaken continues to run its course.

 

[Bunny]

Hp, I do not have an agenda. I do have a question, one that I started another thread with, one that you are discussing in this thread.

 

[DHK]

HP: No, in reality I do not. Read her list of things she says she understands absolutely. If you can comprehend those, there is no logical reason one could not understand the KJV in fine order. I am of moderate intelligence and have been reading it all my life with understanding. I believe others could do the same. Far too many ideas change with wording and omissions, and the modern versions are no exception. For starters, how do the many omissions in the new versions help the understanding one whit??? Some wording changes have completely changed the meanings of the texts. How does that help one understand anything better except the doctrinal slant of the modern interpreters/interpolators???

If there was anything I could point to as a specific curse upon the church today, it would be the proliferation of translations of the Word of God we have witnessed in the last hundred years or so. We have not even begun to see the depth of destruction to the Word of God as we shall see more clearly in the near future as the proliferation that has been undertaken continues to run its course.

Your post is gossip and condemnatory. You ought to be ashamed. If you are going to post, then post to the OP, and to the OP alone. Leave your personal attacks out of it.

 

[billwald]

The Christian Reformed Church unfortunately adopted the NIV as the official pew Bible and now some say that even that miserable translation is to difficult for new people to understand. This is a commentary on our schools and no way reflects the intelligence of the students.

>I guess why I don't care for the modern translation is that they cast doubt on portion of Scripture such as Mark 16:9-20; John 7:53-8:11: I John 5:7-8 to name but a few. When not only is their proof from early Christian leaders quoting these verses but the Bible gives it own evidence to their Inspiration.

This is a circular argument that puts the horse before the cart.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

What personal attack DHK???? Let's have a direct quote please.

 

[DHK]

What personal attack DHK???? Let's have a direct quote please.

Do I have to spell it out for you? Post to the OP without discussing other people's intelligence, etc. Such is gossip and personal attack. It is not tolerated. Neither will any further discussion of said topic.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

DHK, I said nothing at all condescending about anyones intelligence other than possibly my own. I said absolutely nothing that inferred in any way anyone lacked intelligence on this board, but rather was showing that they DID have the intelligence to understand. Oh well.

 

[BillySunday1935]

I have a parallel Bible which includes the KJV, the Amplified, the New Living Translation, and the Revised Standard Version. I am amazed at how the words and meaning of the Bible spring alive with the newer versions as compared with the KJV.

I was raised KJV, and memorized several hundred verses from it (church school), and still find it difficult to understand.

Sure, it sounds nice when read aloud. But if no one can comprehend it, what use is it? French sounds nice when spoken out loud, too, but I can't understand it.

While not a complete translation, I like the Cotton Patch Version.

http://www.rockhay.org/cottonpatch/

Peace!

 

[Trotter]

I am of moderate intelligence and have been reading it all my life with understanding.

I bolded the pertinent part.

I was raised a heathen and did not meet the Lord until I was 22. I am a bit more than of moderate intelligence (just plain old truth and not bragging) but I had a very hard time understanding the KJV. I don't talk like that, nor does anyone else that I know of today. The preacher didn't talk like that, nor did he preach like that.

The first bible I read with complete understanding was a NIV. Here was the bible is my own language! I then was introduced to the NASB and NKJV and I was in hog heaven. I am now using the ESV quite a bit and am really enjoying it. Why? Because it is translated into the language that I speak here and now... not what some people spoke over 400 years ago.

I believe that DHK was talking about the inference that since you can readily understand the KJV with "moderate intelligence" then Bunny must be of much less than "moderate intelligence" since she does not readily understand the KJV. I see your comment as having the possibility of saying that as well, but I know that for those of us who were not raised up on the KJV it is not readily understandable no matter what the intelligence level.

I was offended by your attack on God's word by calling modern translations (those translated into today's English) as being a curse upon the church. God forbid that someone who has never read a bible pick one up and be able to read it with understanding without someone standing there to translate the Jacobean English for him... or a KJV dictionary laid open beside it.

 

[Brad Crassley]

I joined this site about 7 months ago, but made my first posts today. I've a great love for the KJV and I'm what many would call a KJVO, I don't think you have to read the KJV to be saved, but believe it to be 100% without error the true Word of God.

I not looking for an agruement here, but if one comes, it comes. Just curious why most Christians sites seem to attack anyone with view like mine. Yes I understand some people bring it upon themselves, but seen many get attacked for no apparent reasons.

Blasphemy, of course you have to read the KJV 1611 to be saved. There is no other authoritative Bible except the KJV 1611.

 

[Brad Crassley]

Yes, I'm KJVO but have no problem with other using version of their own choice so some would say I'm KJVP. My own disagreement is not with the different in Word Style and when I hear a KJVO saying one word is translated this way in the KJV but this way in the NIV (or whatever version one choices to use) I also get angry with the KJVO's opinion.

I guess why I don't care for the modern translation is that they cast doubt on portion of Scripture such as Mark 16:9-20; John 7:53-8:11: I John 5:7-8 to name but a few. When not only is their proof from early Christian leaders quoting these verses but the Bible gives it own evidence to their Inspiration.

I know many honest Christian disagree with this view, which I guess you could say confuses me. Men like Metzerger, (please forgive my poor spelling if I misspelled his name) although I don't agree with his conclusions, I think he was a great scholar trying to give us the Pure Word of God. I truly believe that Metzerger love Christ with all his heart. I guess you could say to my way of thinking is that God is so great He could preserve His Word completely over nearly 2000 years.

Cutter so far I haven't seen anything that bad. I've felt no malice just some minor disagreement. Thank to all on both sides for keeping this from getting to heated. :thumbsup:

The Lord doeth saith that he ist verily pleased! YAY for the KJV 1611!

 

[Brad Crassley]

Then chuck the KJV and take up the Greek. I mean, since ignorance is no excuse and all.

Elevating the KJV to "perfection" (KJVO's word, not mine) is to make the KJV an idol. Last time I checked God said we are to have no idols before Him. The originals were not written in Jacobean English nor were they written by a bunch of baby baptizing Anglicans who were little more than RCC copycats.

While "ignorance is not an excuse", neither is the "willful ignorance" of the KJVO.

We no more worship the KJV Bible than you worship your own Bibles!

 

[Brad Crassley]

So now the KJV has become your gold standard. antung that is rendered differenly,such as the NASB must be in error. Is that your stance?

That is the Landover Baptist stance, yes!:godisgood::jesus:

 

[Brad Crassley]

The KJV is written in beautiful and the poetry reads like poetry. Would anyone claim that the NASB or NIV is beautiful English? The KJV will always be read for the same reasons that Shakespeare will be read. I have been told that the KJV and Shakespeare translate beautifully in every human language.

On the other hand, unless the KJVO young people/young adults are much better read than the the kids who are are graduating these days they will not understand what they are reading.

Amen brother Billwald. The Lord is very pleased with you for saying such blessed things about his beloved KJV 1611 Bible. :thumbs: