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Why Sunday can NOT be the Lord's Day

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  1. wopik

    wopik New Member

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    Acts 13:40-42 -----

    "And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath" (Vs. 42).

    What an opportunity for Paul and his men!

    All Paul had to do was to explain to these Gentiles that they didn't need to wait a whole week —- they could come back the very next day, our Sunday, to celebrate the "Eucharistic sacrifice!" Did Paul do this?

    What happened? "And the next Sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God" (Vs. 44). These Gentile believers were not counseled to come back the next day.


    Not one word was said about Gentile Christians observing Sunday as the day for worship.

    Instead, they all came together the following Sabbath day.


    Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, was certainly not observing the first day of the week, nor was he teaching Gentile Christians to do so.
     
    #21 wopik, Oct 23, 2004
  2. tamborine lady

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    Amen Wopik!!!Keep the Bible Study going!!

    You've got a handle on something!

    [​IMG] God is awesome :cool: Right on :D

    Tam
     
    #22 tamborine lady, Oct 23, 2004
  3. Seth3

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    Wopic and tamperine lady,

    Your both such a blessing in Christ.

    Amen and Amen!

    God bless you both

    Seth3
     
    #23 Seth3, Oct 23, 2004
  4. Alcott

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    Never mind God's size; how about your own?
    Did you, or did you not, say that "God made a specific 24 hour period holy to Him!"?
     
    #24 Alcott, Oct 23, 2004
  5. Rosell

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    Oh, dear. The abomination of legalism, again.
     
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  6. Helen

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    Check Exodus 31:14-17:

    "Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people. For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested."

    The commandment tells us to work seven days and rest one. That is universal for all of us. The particular day to rest was part of a covenant relationship between the LORD and the ISRAELITES

    That passage also is pretty specific about the creation week being composed of seven days as we know them -- 24 hours long each...

    another thread another time... :D
     
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  7. wopik

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    Alcott,

    Do you think the Jews all over the globe keep Sabbath at the very same moment?

    They keep the time holy when it comes to their neck of the woods!


    The Jews in LA and NY keep the Sabbath whenever it starts in their particular time zone.

    The same that Christians do with SUNDAY -- the day holy to SOL INVICTUS.
     
    #27 wopik, Oct 23, 2004
  8. wopik

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    Helen,

    Oh — then you admit it is binding FOREVER on ISRAELITES — and throughout their generations?

    No one can deny that this absolutely BINDS the people of Israel to keep the Sabbath FOREVER, and throughout their generations perpetually. Their generations are still going on. Therefore IT IS BINDING ON THEM TODAY.

    Also you have to admit that salvation and Christianity are OPEN TO JEWS AND ALL ISRAELITES. The Gospel is the power of God UNTO SALVATION to every one that believeth; TO THE JEW FIRST, and also to the Greek (Rom. 1:16).

    So, then, the Jew can be a converted CHRISTIAN!

    Indeed, the Church at the beginning was nearly altogether Jewish. So the JEW, even though a Christian, in God's CHURCH, is BOUND to keep God's Sabbath as a perpetual covenant, throughout his generations, FOREVER!

    Now, does God have TWO KINDS of Christians? Is it SIN for a Jewish Christian to break the Sabbath, and sin for all others to KEEP IT? Must Jewish Christians assemble on the Sabbath, and those of other nationalities on Sunday? Didn't Jesus say a house divided would fall?

    Are there TWO KINDS of Christians? Read Galatians 3:28-29:

    "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS. And if you [you Gentiles] be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

    So, since the Sabbath is BINDING TODAY on the Jewish part of God's Church, and there is no difference — we are all ONE in Christ — it is also binding on Gentiles!

    http://bibletools.org//index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.showResource/name/ChristianSabbath.htm
     
    #28 wopik, Oct 23, 2004
  9. Alcott

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    Stop being such a coward, Wop. Did you or did you not SAY "God made a specific 24 hour period holy to Him!"?
     
    #29 Alcott, Oct 23, 2004
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    Hello, friend Alcott

    Jesus doesn't want Sabbath keepers in any part of the world to miss out on keeping His holy day, so as the day travels around the world, everybody who loves the Sabbath has a chance to keep that wonderful restful twenty-four hour period in their own time zone.

    Jesus knew there were Sabbath keepers in Greece who had to keep Sabbath whenever it occured in their city and country. The Sabbath keepers in Jerusalem observed Sabbath Day when the day started in their own country.

    When Paul and Luke traveled all over Asia Minor, they undoubtedly kept Sabbath when it occured in Thessolonica, not Jerusalem.

    Why do you think this is a problem?

    [ October 23, 2004, 04:32 PM: Message edited by: wopik ]
     
    #30 wopik, Oct 23, 2004
  11. Alcott

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    ...........
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    The problem is obvious. Does God have a "24 hour period holy to Him," as you said, or is such a time period 48 hours?
     
    #31 Alcott, Oct 23, 2004
  12. wopik

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    Hello again, friend Alcott

    how do you figure 48 hours - 2 days? I never heard of that. I am all ears.


    wopik said:
    does not the LORD call this 24 hour weekly Sabbath, holy? "...but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, a HOLY CONVOCATION" (Lev 23:3) --- a holy gathering.
     
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  13. Alcott

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    How do I figure 48 hours? If you can't see that, we must begin by a basic fact-- there are points on the earth at which the sun is "going down" [disappearing from over over the horizon] at ALL TIMES. First, we need see if that much is agreed before going further. Is it?
     
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  14. wopik

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    agreed.

    I don't like this already, but go ahead.

    These long-winded explainations loose me quick......but I'll hang in as long as I can.
     
    #34 wopik, Oct 24, 2004
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    Okay, where is the starting point, at which a particular sundown means the beginning of the sabbath, but at an inch further east the sun has just gone down on the 5th day of the week, not the 6th?
     
    #35 Alcott, Oct 24, 2004
  16. tamborine lady

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    Alcott, your'e straining at a gnat and swallowing a Camel!

    The phrase 24 hr period is not in the bible, sabbath is, and that's what is important.

    Not knit-picking at a particularphrase.

    Peace

    Tam
     
    #36 tamborine lady, Oct 25, 2004
  17. wopik

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    tamborine lady [​IMG]
     
    #37 wopik, Oct 25, 2004
  18. Alcott

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    Wopik obviously thought it "important" when he said "There is a specific 24 hour period holy to God."

    You cannot deny that somewhere on the globe are boundaries between day 1/day 2, day 2/day 3.... And it is YOU, not me, that puts so much priority on which particular day must be "holy." If I were sailing the Pacific somewhere near Fiji, and it was 'Sunday' by my calendar, I would have no immediate concern about which side of the International Date Line I was on, that this might be a "holy day" or it might not. But if you were in the same position, you would have to take a fix to know for sure if it were the sabbath or not [and you can tell me whether if it were, you could hoist a sail or not on that day]. If this does not make such a vast difference regarding the sabbath, then the sabbath is not the time-constricted concept with which you introduced this thread in the first place.

    PS: I didn't know roast camel taste so good.
     
    #38 Alcott, Oct 25, 2004
  19. wopik

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    I only mentioned "24 hours" because that is how long a day is ---- so the holy Sabbath day would be 24 hours long, where ever you're at ---- gee wiz...
     
    #39 wopik, Oct 25, 2004
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    Well Alcott why not look here at Genisis and tell me why it would not be important to observe the sabbath on the sabbath day?

    Gen. 2:2 -
    And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

    Gen. 2:3 -
    And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

    I thought if God blesses something it would mean its important? When God santifies something I thought that means "He" (not us) has set it apart from all other days?
    I know that we are to walk with God daily but shouldn't the sabbath be seperate from the other 6 days? [​IMG]

    Heres something else.........
    Ex. 20:8 -
    Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

    How do we keep the sabbath holy? Do we go to the movies, do we go shopping, do we catch up with the laundry and house cleaning that we let go during the week since we were too busy or too tired from work? [​IMG]
     
    #40 music4Him, Oct 25, 2004
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