Why the Blindness?

What if God said they were, rippon -- would you believe Him? God said Israel is "partly blind." I'd say its only a matter of degrees that we are talking about and not any real distinction with a difference, don't you? If your one "blind spot" is Christ, all those things you speak of will also attain, right?

skypair

 

SP , it is not a matter of degrees . Someone destined for Hell is under an eternal death sentence -- he is spiritully blind in the worst sense possible . There is no comparison with the partial-blindness which believers labor under .

Regarding Israel -- a majority were spiritually blind -- but the remnant was given spiritual eyesight by the Lord .

 

This Is With Regard To Romans 9:11-13

This yet another reminder for Allan to recall his own words . He has the tendency to forget .

 

And these words from RB confirms that I am not all alone in my scriptural understanding of this major doctrine .

 

How about taking it into context. But still - there is no reason to recall anything.

We were discussing the chapter being specifically about Salvation, I was showing where it was not.

No the Chapter has NOTHING to do with salvation in context we were speaking to.

I you really hate-filled, you would distort things on purpose to make yourself seem ...I don't know... important?

 

He was being sarcastic about the hyper-veiw, and if you would have taken the time to read it, you would know that .

But then again you would actually have to read it in context now wouldn't you.

 

Yes , RB was indeed being sarcastic about what you consider to be hyper-Calvinistic . He was saying in so many words that your view is silly .

 

You once again FAIL to read the rest of the posts in which we both were agreeing.

And previous to that I gave the web link that gives the definition (I think it was Spurgeon.org)

We fleshed out what was being talked about and your misuse of 'a' quote which seems quite symtomatic of a problem you seem have - wither bitterness and or hate

It still comes back to repentence on your part for this and the other.

 

Talk about taking things out of context Allan ! The conversation that I related concerned this follow-up from you .

 

To which RB gave the above reply .

 

Yes, and apparently your ignorance isn't just in church history.

Your follow-up has nothing to do with your initial accusation of me stating a Hyper is one who believes God chose Jacob over Esau, when in fact what I was stating is that the hyper believe God chose Jacob over Esau BEFORE God determined sin to be apart of His plan.

Which just so happens to be what you 'left out' to further your distortion of the truth.

 

And after that... Oh, you didn't read that far? I see, so you concoct your own version.

Anyone with half a brain can go back to the late 80 early 90 posting and read them for themselves and see how off base you are.

Again Rippon,
For you slander, bitterness, and hate I forgive you and I pray the Lord will grant you repentence.

 

Hey guys. Since this is an old post with my name in it...... how about listening to me for a bit?
I love both of you guys. Now, how about just forgiving one another, and lets stop with the bickering. I've invited some guests to come check out the BB, and I am actually embarrased. I'm saying this with love for you both. Do it not for me, but for our Lord and Savior whom all of us love. Thanks guys.

 

Sorry RB, my character was called into question. I will do so.

And my statement towards you Rip remains - I forgive you.

 

Setting the Record Straight

Allan , I had taken the folks here along the path of you interaction with Reformed Believer . I had posted past posts in the sequential order of their occurrence . In my post#163 I showed the contents of your post#72 . In my post #164 I showed the content of RB's post #77 . In my post # 169 I showed the content of RB's post # 88 .

You , on the other hand , in your post numbered #168 interjected RB's post #103 . You are the one who took things out of context . You are the one who distorted things , not me . Shame on you .

Chapter 9 of Romans 9 does declare salvation truths . Look again at 9:11-12a : ( for though they had not been born yet or done anything good or bad , so that God's purpose according to election might stand , not from works but from the One who calls )

Compare the above with 2 Timothy 1:9 : who has saved us and called us with a holy calling , not according to our works , but according to His own purpose and grace , which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began .

Those are parallel passages . And both deal with salvation .And of course Romans 9:22 and 23 deal with the condemnation of the wicked and the hope of glory for His objects of mercy .

( All Scripture from the HCSB .)

 

My "initial accusation" was that "you insist that hyperCalvinism teaches that God chose Jacob over Esau before either one sinned ." Also that you believe Romans 9 has nothing to do with salvation . And of course your belief flies directly against what Romans 9:11 teaches . You distorted my charge against you . ( Not mentioning other things you have falsely claimed .)

 

This was post #89 from RB .

 

This was your post #97 .

 

This was your respone to RB in your post # 98 .

 

This was RB's post #99 .