Why the KJV?

I am sorry that you all don't believe in a perfect Bible. I will continue to pray for you all.

Non-KJVO folks believe in a perfect Bible. Just not a perfect English translation.

 

Non-KJVO folks believe in a perfect Bible.

do you think a perfect bible exists anywhere outside the mind of god?

 

I only drink when I gamble. Just kidding.

This is the type of logic many, if not most, KJVonlyist use to support their outdated version.

I guess you have to resort to this type of tactic when you are unsupported by Scripture.

 

do you think a perfect bible exists anywhere outside the mind of god?

We're not talking about a perfect Bible. We're talking about a perfect translation. The two are different subjects.

There's no such thing as a perfect English translation. There are really good translations, and reasonably accurate translations, but no perfect translations.

The only way any English translation can be perfect is if the text it came from is perfect. And the only way it canbe a perfect translation is it is entirely free from errors. The KJV is not free from errors in translation.

 

We're not talking about a perfect Bible.

huh? in your previous post you said:

Non-KJVO folks believe in a perfect Bible

 

Right, and they do. The distinction is that "Bible" in the KJVO argument refers to a written translation of God's Word. God's Word is the Bible, and it (God's Word) is perfect. What we find in a book is merely a translation of God's Word, and it (the translation - any translation) is not perfect.

This argument is not about a perfect Bible, if we're taking "Bible" to mean "God's Word." Of course His Word is perfect. This discussion is about the written "copy" of the Word, not the Word itself.

 

Timothy, I understood you to believe that there is a perfect Bible. So what's your disagreement?

 

Timothy, I understood you to believe that there is a perfect Bible. So what's your disagreement?

nothin'. i guess we're pretty much two peas in a pod!

 

Great post(March 26, 03) and argument "Stubbornkelly"

My late father gave me a reproduction of the original AV 1611 - leaving aside the no "J" problem - the "U"/"V" problem - and the excess "E" problem --

What do you KJVO people do with this problem - If the KJV is the inspired Word of God - how come you leave out all that "inspired" material in the 1611 version between Malachi and Matthew?

 

Okay, do you? If yes, what is it?

 

King James himself actually had very little to do with it. He just happened to be the king at the time. If you remember, King Henry VIII made himself the head over the church in England. Every religious book written during that time was named after him in some way. It could be that was one of the reasons the KJV was named after King James. I could be completely wrong, but it is just a thought.

 

Three questions:

1. Why would God not desire us to know, with assurance, that we have His perfect Word, every word exactly where He wants it , meaning what He wants it to say, as He promised He would in Psalms 12: 6-7 and Matthew 24: 35

2. What would be his purpose in inspiring holy men of old to put it on paper and then not provide a way of preserving it perfect for us, in the english language today? To inspire and not preserve surely would be a waste of time. Is that God's nature? I think not.

3. Why would Satan not desire to get into the word and tinker with it, pervert it, make it less effective, create confusion and division among His created, especially those really educated ones?

His perfect word has been with us since it was inspired by God himself. Those who say we have the perfect word contained somewhere in 200 flawed, perverted versions have underestimated God's ability to preserve the word in the KJV and have underestimated Satans power to pervert that word using powerful organizations such as the Church of Rome and men such as occultists Westcott and Hort over the years.

I use the KJV because it is the only version we have today that is a direct descendant of the Byzantine Texts and it has withstood the test of time.

It must be God's word because it is the most duplicated and attacked book in the history of this sorry world. Since the turn of the century, with the advient of printing presses, we have witnessed over 150 "versions" of God's word, each on easier to read than the one before it.

After a short study of the History fo this precious Word, understanding the nature of it's Author, examining the lives of those who re-wrote it (W & H for example), the only logical conclusion one can reach is that we do have the pure, perfect word to take and apply to our lives today.

That is why I use my KJV every day and will until the end or until another "perfect" word comes on the scene(Phil 1: 6)

There is a great deal of strange stuff happening in our music and some "seeker" churches that bear watching. We need to keep our eyes and ears open and test it against scripture. It is important to know this word is 100% reliable and not polluted by the thoughts of sinful men bent on destroying it. God warned us about these times in 1 Tim 3:1-5

There, I said it without directly attacking or insulting anyone who might disagree with me on this board.

God Bless our troops, I am glad George Bush is my President and peace to all.

The God of the KJ Bible is absolutely awesome.

Alex

 

Just a few things:

That is not what these verses in Psalm 12 promise.

I wonder the same thing. Why do some hold on to a 17th century version as God's only Bible? Isn't God able to provide a way for His Word to be in today's English language?

There are some educated ones who are deceived, but I worry about the ignorant ones. That seems like a fertile ground for Satan to sow discord. The less one knows the easier it is to be deceived by a falsehood or a half-truth.

Go figure, the NT text underlying the King James was put together by a Roman Catholic cleric, Erasmus.

The first premise is not true, I can think of the NKJV, MKJV, and LITV just off the top of my head. The second premise I would tend to agree with.

If it is duplicated that simply means more KJVs are made. Is that what you are getting at? The KJV should not be reproduced and published? (A duplicate is an exact copy.) Also, as for the attacked part, I guess it depends on your definition of 'attacked.'

Just want to point out that the printing press has been around much longer than the turn of the century.

I must ask what you mean by logical. Also, have you examined all the translators of all other translations besides the KJV? Have you examined the Anglican translators of the KJV?

I am very glad you use your KJV every day! Keep it up! Just wondering, how will you know if another perfect word comes? Also, you are misapplying Scripture here.

I believe that would be for the music forum.

I would agree. I must ask, however, what you mean by "sinful men bent on destroying it."

The insulting part may depend on who reads this.

I agree. Aren't you Canadian, though?

AMEN! He is the same God of my NKJV Bible and He is an awesome God!

Neal

 

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