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Why voting for Donald Trump is not a morally good choice.
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That's a shame
I wonder if you would question Trump this aggressively about his claim to have seen "thousands and thousands of Muslims cheering" on 9/11?
From the video:
"We had pockets of celebrations"--Rudy Guiliani
"What we had in New Jersey is not like anything like Trump said." --Chris Christie
Curtis Sliwa confirmed that some celebrations took place but the number of people involved was limited to a handful.
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Claim is that "thousands and thousands of Muslims celebrating" in the US. Your video does not state this.
"We had pockets of celebrations"--Rudy Guiliani
"What we had in New Jersey is not like anything like Trump said." --Chris Christie
Curtis Sliwa confirmed that some celebrations took place but the number of people involved was limited to a handful.
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Claim is that "thousands and thousands of Muslims celebrating" in the US. Your video does not state this.
I did and it seems an exaggeration. Hundreds and hundreds is more a reality as I too saw the crowds in the street on TV cheering.
Of course this video documentation and any others like it would be presently suppressed in order (supposedly) to not inflame the political situation more than it already is.
However Trump (admittedly sometimes harsh) and many others, myself included, believe it goes beyond political correctness and the cheering should be made known to the general public in order to convince peace loving Muslims worldwide that in some areas of the world wholesale murder is approved of by radical Islam devotees and we need the help of the true followers of Islam "the Religion of Peace" Islam and not Radical Islam, to overcome this perversion of the phrase "Jihad".
HankD
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I saw that too, but those people were not in the United States.
I didn't know that he said they were, my apology.
However and IMO, my last paragraph in my preceding post is still valid.
Thanks
HankD
evenifigoalone
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I'm aware. While I am prolife I feel he is still a better choice than Hillary or Trump.
I seriously disagree.
But that is the dilemma into which we have all been forced.
HankD
Truth is that if you really researched this 12 million democrats voted for Trump claim as you said you did, you'wouldn't have posted it. At least I hope not, since it's an outright fabrication.
But you're standing behind the claim, while providing no real empirical evidence whatsoever. That's dishonest.
Your excuses for not doing so sound exactly like our resident troll making claims with no proof to back them up.
You've use the "I'm not going to do your homework foryou". That's a dishonest dodge to keep from backing up your claim. Then you used the "you wouldn't believe it anyhow" claim. That's just another dishonest dodge.
So I'll leave the last word to you. I fully expect another childish retort and another variation of our favorite troll's dodges. What I don't expect , at this time is and honest effort to prove your claims. You just haven't got it in you. Your hate for Trump is just too strong.
Sure. Why not? Politicians make exaggerated claims all the time. But there is no doubt that muslims around the world were celebrating, incliding here in the United States.
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"Sniper fire"
"Men were mean to me during my LSAT"
"Vast right-wing conspiracy against me and my husband!"
"I was named after Sir Edmund Hillary."
"I tried to join the Marines."
Hyperbole is part and parcel in politics,.
Okay, she can believe it if she wants to, but do know that this claim originated from some truck driver from down in Portland. This guy has run under the GOP ticket in several local elections and has lost by 70% each time. Yes, it's a donkey territory, but here is a taste of how out of touch this individual actually is - from tedstate:
http://www.redstate.com/diary/creinstein/2016/04/22/290282/
just a sample of Mike's expert opinion:
he pulls his numbers out of thin air, and he's a CT nut. Don't know who he thinks will win the general, but I wouldn't want Mikey to pick me for the winner.
"Men were mean to me during my LSAT"
"Vast right-wing conspiracy against me and my husband!"
"I was named after Sir Edmund Hillary."
"I tried to join the Marines."
Hyperbole is part and parcel in politics,.
Okay, she can believe it if she wants to, but do know that this claim originated from some truck driver from down in Portland. This guy has run under the GOP ticket in several local elections and has lost by 70% each time. Yes, it's a donkey territory, but here is a taste of how out of touch this individual actually is - from tedstate:
http://www.redstate.com/diary/creinstein/2016/04/22/290282/
just a sample of Mike's expert opinion:
he pulls his numbers out of thin air, and he's a CT nut. Don't know who he thinks will win the general, but I wouldn't want Mikey to pick me for the winner.
"The law of the land is, is that a woman has the right to have an abortion up to the point of viability of the fetus, and the Supreme Court has defined viability of the fetus as sustaining the life of the fetus outside of the womb, even if by artificial means. That's the law of the land. We're not looking to change the law of the land in any way."
Gary Johnson
I will grant you this, this statement is better than the than I must be under satanic influence to vote for Cruz instead of Trump in the primary(said to me on FB more than once) That is the gold standard of my dealings with Trump supporters.
The hate claim while standard operating procedures, is ironic to me since the one reason I see over and over again is we must stop Clinton. The hatred for Clinton is palatable among Trump supporters. That in turn is transferred to anyone who has not "gotten onto the TrumpTrain." So for me any Trump Supporters "you hate him cry" will ring hollow as long the hatred of Clinton is the primary reason I am expected to vote for a man that violates every single one of my principles as both a Christian and an American.
Obviously your conscience is allowing you to vote for him, that is your freedom as both a Christian and an American. Mine will not and that is my freedom. Throwing insults at me, while being amusing to me, will not change my conscience, in fact it reinforces it, because I have long said it's his followers that give me the biggest reason to not vote for him, more than the man himself does which is saying something.
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evenifigoalone
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I'm aware he's pro-choice. As stated previously, I'd still take him over this year's main party candidates. Because abortion is not the only issue that matters.
If we want to take the bolded part as a broader statement on Johnson's campaign, I'm going to have to call context into play here, since this quote is specifically on the abortion issue.
Sad to hear from a Christian.
Putting your faith on the shelf for an election? Opens the door for all sorts of justifications for the acceptance of evil.
evenifigoalone
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I'm not pro-life for religious reasons, I'm prolife for scientific and logical reasons.Sad to hear from a Christian.
Putting your faith on the shelf for an election? Opens the door for all sorts of justifications for the acceptance of evil.
Also I suspect we belong to two different political ideologies. I'm a libertarian, my ideology is not to vote to make Christian morals law.
Then I have to just ask the question...
Are you a Christian at all? Have you accepted Jesus as your one and only savior?
evenifigoalone
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Yes, I have accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior and became serious with my Christianity after an encounter with God in my mid-teens.
The Bible doesn't advocate for any particular government ideology, definitely not as a requirement for salvation. I was raised neo-conservative, I became libertarian about four years ago.
So you totally disregard the Bible and the teachings of Christ on the sanctity of life, going instead with "science" and "logic" as reasons to be "pro-life". But then you support a candidate that likes current abortion law just fine, which could basically be stated as having a heatbeat doesn't mean you're alive.
Got it.
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