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Why we vote Republican, even when they have warts

37818

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The next step, I believe, when the not yet born have "their" own blood distinct from "their" mother's. That is, abortion to be illegal just after two weeks from conception.
 
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Scott Downey

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I have talked with some democratic women who are pro-abortion. One of their reasons is it is not fair to the child to allow it to be born to a mother who does not want it or love the baby, which then has to be thrown onto the welfare system burdening the tax payers.

Of course, their old standby of a rape resulting in a pregnancy is too much of an emotional burden on the mother to allow it to be born.

We should all ask God to remove such women's ability to conceive who feel this way.
 

Baptist Believer

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Republicans shouldn't be bragging about this law. It is a disaster for women and establishes a relatively simple means of revenge against women for any reason. Moreover, can you imagine the additional pain that a couple will endure who lose a child through miscarriage and then get dragged into court by a nosey neighbor who only knows that the woman is suddenly not pregnant anymore and they have no new baby?

Enforcement is handled exclusively through "private civil actions" (see Sec. 171.207) through lawsuits with damages of $10,000 or more (as well as compensation for legal fees) awarded to those who report persons who allegedly received an abortion or performed an abortion. The law does NOT allow defendants who win at trial (falsely accused) to be compensated for attorneys fees or another other legitimate costs, nor can civil action be brought against the person who impregnated the woman through rape, sexual assault, incest or any other criminal act:

(i) Notwithstanding any other law, a court may not award
costs or attorney's fees under the Texas Rules of Civil Procedure or
any other rule adopted by the supreme court under Section 22.004,
Government Code, to a defendant in an action brought under this
section.
(j) Notwithstanding any other law, a civil action under this
section may not be brought by a person who impregnated the abortion
patient through an act of rape, sexual assault, incest, or any other
act prohibited by Sections 22.011, 22.021, or 25.02, Penal Code.


I realize that many here are going to accuse me of being pro-abortion because I mention the huge problem with this law, but that's false.

If Texas Republicans want to write a law against abortion, then they should have the state enforce it, not through the action of private citizens who may have a malicious intent.
 

Wingman68

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Republicans shouldn't be bragging about this law. It is a disaster for women and establishes a relatively simple means of revenge against women for any reason. Moreover, can you imagine the additional pain that a couple will endure who lose a child through miscarriage and then get dragged into court by a nosey neighbor who only knows that the woman is suddenly not pregnant anymore and they have no new baby?

Enforcement is handled exclusively through "private civil actions" (see Sec. 171.207) through lawsuits with damages of $10,000 or more (as well as compensation for legal fees) awarded to those who report persons who allegedly received an abortion or performed an abortion. The law does NOT allow defendants who win at trial (falsely accused) to be compensated for attorneys fees or another other legitimate costs, nor can civil action be brought against the person who impregnated the woman through rape, sexual assault, incest or any other criminal act:

(i) Notwithstanding any other law, a court may not award
costs or attorney's fees under the Texas Rules of Civil Procedure or
any other rule adopted by the supreme court under Section 22.004,
Government Code, to a defendant in an action brought under this
section.
(j) Notwithstanding any other law, a civil action under this
section may not be brought by a person who impregnated the abortion
patient through an act of rape, sexual assault, incest, or any other
act prohibited by Sections 22.011, 22.021, or 25.02, Penal Code.


I realize that many here are going to accuse me of being pro-abortion because I mention the huge problem with this law, but that's false.

If Texas Republicans want to write a law against abortion, then they should have the state enforce it, not through the action of private citizens who may have a malicious intent.
Where is your outrage for the lives destroyed & or bankrupted by taking the experimental shot that is being pretty much force fed to everyone, while no one but the person taking it is liable. No outrage for that?
You realize that you are indeed taking the pro abortion position, but when you just have to spew, you do.
I guess this means you would stand tall against ‘red flag’ laws, right?
 

Salty

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Where is your outrage for the lives destroyed & or bankrupted by taking the experimental shot that is being pretty much force fed to everyone, while no one but the person taking it is liable. No outrage for that?
You realize that you are indeed taking the pro abortion position, but when you just have to spew, you do.
I guess this means you would stand tall against ‘red flag’ laws, right?


There is a hundred things that could have outrage - How about a man that is falsely accused of being the father - but proved he is not - who compensates him. How a doctor falsely accused of malpractice, how about a driver accused of a collision that was not his fault.
Wingman is NOT taking a pro-abortion position.
IMHO a women seeking abortion should not be arrested - only the medical personnel who preformed the abortion.
 

Wingman68

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September 03, 2021, Ace of Spades

The Court's brief order -- not at all unusual in the emergency-application context -- made clear that the procedural issues prevented it from considering the constitutionality of the Texas law. The defendants are state officials plus one private citizen. The state officials claimed they lacked the authority to enforce the Texas law, which allows private citizens to file suit against any person who provides an abortion or aids or abets such an abortion. The one private citizen who was sued stated he has no intention to enforce the law. Absent such authority or intention among the named defendants, the majority concluded, "We cannot say the applicants have met their burden to prevail in an injunction or stay application." All of that means that, as Ed Whelan has aptly explained, the case did not present a live controversy (i.e., an actual dispute between the parties).

Ed Whelan found the dissenters' claims weak and entirely political.

Oh, Bush appointee John Roberts joined the liberals. Of course.

Why do I say he "joined" the liberals? He rules in lockstep with the liberals in 90% of cases. He is a liberal.

Last night the Court denied abortion providers' beyond�audacious request for emergency relief against the Texas Heartbeat Act by a 5�4 vote. The feebleness of the four dissents shows that the denial should have been 9�0.
...

The most disappointing -- because we should have expected so much better, especially from someone who often presents himself as very serious about jurisdictional limits on judicial power --is the Chief's (which Breyer and Kagan join). The Chief acknowledges that defendants "may be correct" that "existing doctrines preclude judicial intervention." That acknowledgment should be enough to require him to deny relief. Instead, he somehow imagines that the Court has the power to "grant preliminary relief to preserve the status quo ante" so that the lower courts can address the "particularly difficult" questions that the case raises. And, again, he also mistakenly assumes that preliminary relief against the named defendants actually could "preserve the status quo ante."

One bright note for those who fear that the Chief holds extraordinary sway over a couple of his conservative colleagues is that neither of them went south with him.

The usual liberal "Republicans" are campaigning against this bill, warning actual conservatives that this type of "innovative" legislation -- authorizing the use of private causes of action to vindicate policy objectives -- might be used against conservatives in the future.

Might?

In the future?

Are they aware that anyone attempting to develop his own land can be sued for a host of claimed environmental offenses?

Did they notice that bakers can be sued and harassed (by a state agency with a virtually unlimited budget) if they refuse to bake a "Gender Transition Cake" for a serial stalker?

Did they notice that employers can be sued for not hiring enough minorities, or firing too many minorities during a downsizing?

This type of law is already rife in our legal codes, and deployed exclusively against the right, against traditionalists.

They never argue against those laws. Their "libertarianism" only comes to the fore when someone on the right wants to use the left's tactics against the left.

But as to the left's own tactics? They have no problem with that. Sure, if you make an issue of it with them on Twitter, they will reluctantly mumble "Well I'm against those laws, too."

But are they? Strange we never hear about this supposed opposition to the left's impositions on the right until we probe them about their inconsistency on these issues.

You don't really "oppose" something if your "opposition" only gets voiced when someone pressures you into stating it.

These people are liberals, have been liberals, will always be liberals. They do not object to liberal policies or laws, especially those that advance a liberal social agenda, because they are, in fact, liberals.

They object exclusively to the right's ventures into these areas because, again, they areliberals.

I'm getting sick and tired of being told that I can't pick up the same legal club the left has been beating the shit out of me with my whole life, because of "Muh Principles."

I have no principles requiring me to be a chump, or a simp for the left's agenda.

Maybe those with such "principles" should reexamine them.

Or at least stop claiming to be "conservative." Or even "libertarian."

Meanwhile, the fake conservatives/fake libertarians will have no problem with Jen Psaki's announcement that the Biden Puppet Administration is looking for ways to use the federal government's power to rewrite a state's law.
 

Salty

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Listening to Beck this AM. It was stated that the reason for civil action is because the SCOTUS would have rule a law with criminal action as unconstitional.
 

Scott Downey

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Curious, how does that judge temporary restraining order affect the Texas antiabortion law?
Seems the judge did that as the enforcement of the heart beat bill hurts planned parenthood providers financially, the doctors, nurses who perform the abortions.

Texas' New Pro-Life Bill is Genius (rumble.com)
 

Scott Downey

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It seems to me, the LEFT and others, who want these abortions like ripping apart infants in wombs to take place can just get activist judges to issue restraining order after restraining order, in effect hamstringing the law regardless of what higher courts like SCOTUS say.

My view is women who get these abortions are murdering their UNBORN infants. So antiabortion laws cut down the numbers of killings.

The do rip the bodies apart of the unborn, and pull out chunks and pieces. And they claim the unborn dont feel it, but I have seen videos of the unborn trying move away from the tools they use. Whatever, the unborn react.
 
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