Why worry about False Teachers?

[th1bill]

Are you suggesting that I am not an Indwelt Christian?

No, you are interpreting a perfectly clear English statement and, incorrectly, at that.

 

[Silverhair]

No, you are interpreting a perfectly clear English statement and, incorrectly, at that.

If it were perfectly clear then I would not have asked question.

 

[th1bill]

What was the right time? And how was is it that you were able to do that?
How did your spirit communicate with the Holy Spirit of God?

I messed the post up, somehow and it does not appear. The right time for me was discovering my best friend blown into so many pieces some of him never shipped home for the war. Now, more accurately; The Ruah spoke to my heart/spirit and I responded.

Sorry about the mistake. Shalom

 

[Mikoo]

I messed the post up, somehow and it does not appear. The right time for me was discovering my best friend blown into so many pieces some of him never shipped home for the war. Now, more accurately; The Ruah spoke to my heart/spirit and I responded.

Sorry about the mistake. Shalom

So not on your own ability did you save yourself, it was only because 'The Ruah spoke to my heart/spirit and I responded.'
Got it. Thank you.

 

[Mikoo]

That is generally the meaning without redefining words like whosoever, and all, and whole (world), and any, and world.

If you are to preach a gospel, good news, to every creature, it must actually be good news to every creature. If it is good news that I preach but it is bad news for the person I preach to, it really isn’t a gospel to every creature, is it?

Of course it is good news to all. Do you know which of the creatures you are preaching to that it is not good news to?
God does.

No assumptions made. That is the actual understanding of the words used.

No assumptions made.

 

[Mikoo]

This is the most foolish argument.

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Your insistence on people thinking that they are morally superior shows your ignorance.

Not insisting anything. Just asking a question. Shows your ignorance. Touched a nerve there, did I?

People come to Christ because they recognize that He is morally superior and that are not able to be compared to the word moral.

How did they recognize that?

Were any morally superior, what is the purpose of a Saviour?
Jesus came to call sinners not morally superior. They that are whole need not a physician. And only the Calvinist thinks that the people who choose to believe in the work of Christ are pretending to be morally superior.

Only those who think they could choose to be saved are morally (spritually) superior.

It is nothing but a strawman argument with no Scriptural structure.
Salvation is of the Lord.

Salvation is of the Lord.

Man can still reject the Lord.

And many do. Why?
And many receive the Lord as their Saviour. Why? How?
Are you one of those who was just spritually superior and more moral than all the other sinners who rejected God? You did it all on your own?

 

[Mikoo]

The bible shows they are

God given free will

So your 'free will' that God gave you was superior than others that you choose Christ and they didn't?

 

[Ben1445]

Not insisting anything. Just asking a question. Shows your ignorance. Touched a nerve there, did I?

How did they recognize that?

It is written in God’s Word.
In English, it is in plain English.

Only those who think they could choose to be saved are morally (spritually) superior.

This is not an accurate assumption.

Salvation is of the Lord.

And many do. Why?

The sin that we all have. They like it better than the Saviour.

And many receive the Lord as their Saviour. Why?

Because God has graciously provided a Saviour and called us to believe on Him.

When you call your children of your creation (pardon the illustration), when some come and some disobey, why is that?

How?

By the way of the cross. Same way anyone may come.

How do your children come when you call?
When they don’t, are they disobedient, or are they just fulfilling their destiny?

Are you one of those who was just spritually superior and more moral than all the other sinners who rejected God? You did it all on your own?

Once again, this is your ridiculous strawman argument that you must fall back on. This is the idea of your own creation. It doesn’t help your argument to keep projecting your beliefs of others onto others.
Salvation is of the giver, not the receiver.

How do you know that you are saved? Did you receive a letter of notification?
Did you just get a warm fuzzy feeling in your blessed little heart?
Do you not know yet if salvation has come to your house? What assurance do you have?

 

[Ben1445]

Of course it is good news to all. Do you know which of the creatures you are preaching to that it is not good news to?
God does.

So you are saying that God knows which people we are lying to when we tell them that we have good news for them.

So good tidings of great joy is not really to all people. Those are lying spirits in Luke 2? All people doesn’t really mean all people? Or the people that it doesn’t mean are actually not people, they are just lower life form?
Do you have a lying God? Did God not actually give you dominion over anything?

 

[Silverhair]

So your 'free will' that God gave you was superior than others that you choose Christ and they didn't?

That is what free will means.

One can use their free will to trust and another can use their free will to reject.

It really is not that complicated.

 

[Mikoo]

It is written in God’s Word.
In English, it is in plain English.


This is not an accurate assumption.


The sin that we all have. They like it better than the Saviour.


Because God has graciously provided a Saviour and called us to believe on Him.

When you call your children of your creation (pardon the illustration), when some come and some disobey, why is that?




By the way of the cross. Same way anyone may come.

How do your children come when you call?
When they don’t, are they disobedient, or are they just fulfilling their destiny?


Once again, this is your ridiculous strawman argument that you must fall back on. This is the idea of your own creation. It doesn’t help your argument to keep projecting your beliefs of others onto others.
Salvation is of the giver, not the receiver.

How do you know that you are saved? Did you receive a letter of notification?
Did you just get a warm fuzzy feeling in your blessed little heart?
Do you not know yet if salvation has come to your house? What assurance do you have?

You seem to be asking the same question(s) as me. Now you get it.

 

[Mikoo]

So you are saying that God knows which people we are lying to when we tell them that we have good news for them.

Do you lie to people when you share the good news?

So good tidings of great joy is not really to all people.

Only to those who believe.

Those are lying spirits in Luke 2?

Are they?

All people doesn’t really mean all people?

Are all people saved?

Or the people that it doesn’t mean are actually not people, they are just lower life form?

Is that really a serious question?

Do you have a lying God?

I don't. Do you?

Did God not actually give you dominion over anything?

What did God give you dominion over?

 

[Mikoo]

That is what free will means.

One can use their free will to trust and another can use their free will to reject.

So you admit that God gave you a superior 'free will' so you could believe.

It really is not that complicated.

It really isn't.

 

[Ben1445]

You seem to be asking the same question(s) as me. Now you get it.

I don’t know what you mean by this. Do you understand what I am saying or not? Nothing has changed about what I get.
So because I ask you questions that you ask yourself, you think we agree? I think maybe we have different answers. But I don’t know. You didn’t answer them.

 

[Ben1445]

Do you lie to people when you share the good news?

No. God doesn’t lie when He says it is to all people.
As soon as you separate a person out from all, it is no longer to all people groups. It wouldn’t be to the group that it is not to.

Only to those who believe.

That is an agreeable statement. As long as it is understood that any may believe.

Are they?

No they are not.

Are all people saved?

No all are not saved. It doesn’t take much reading to figure that out.
But all (people) are permitted to be.

Is that really a serious question?

I hope not. But that depends on your answer I guess.

I don't. Do you?

No.

What did God give you dominion over?

The earth.
We are ourselves, in this earth. We are responsible for ourselves first.

 

[Silverhair]

So you admit that God gave you a superior 'free will' so you could believe.

No, just the same free will that He gave everyone.

You do know what free will is don't you?

From your comments I do wonder if you do or not.

 

[Mikoo]

No, just the same free will that He gave everyone.

But yours is superior because YOU chose Christ.

You do know what free will is don't you?

I know what you think 'free will' is.

From your comments I do wonder if you do or not.

I know what you think 'free will' is.

 

[Mikoo]

I don’t know what you mean by this. Do you understand what I am saying or not? Nothing has changed about what I get.
So because I ask you questions that you ask yourself, you think we agree? I think maybe we have different answers. But I don’t know. You didn’t answer them.

So you agree with SH that you have 'free will' from God?

 

[Mikoo]

No. God doesn’t lie when He says it is to all people.
As soon as you separate a person out from all, it is no longer to all people groups. It wouldn’t be to the group that it is not to.

So not 'all' are saved then?

That is an agreeable statement. As long as it is understood that any may believe.

But not 'all' are saved.

No they are not.

Why not?

No all are not saved. It doesn’t take much reading to figure that out.
But all (people) are permitted to be.

Why aren't all people saved.

I hope not. But that depends on your answer I guess.

So not a serious question then.

No.

I hope not.

The earth.

Wow. Cool. So what are you doing with your 'dominion' over the earth?

We are ourselves, in this earth. We are responsible for ourselves first.

???

 

[Silverhair]

But yours is superior because YOU chose Christ.

Free will is free will @Mikoo There is no better or worse it just is.

I know what you think 'free will' is.

Your right I do know what free will is but the problem is that you do not.

The fact you do not is shown by your comments.

So to help you understand what free will is I have include this explanation:

"Free will is the capacity for agents to choose between different possible courses of action (aka choosing “otherwise”). This does not require the person to be able to choose anything, nor does it require the absence of other influencing factors such as creation, conviction of sin, the gospel message, etc. It only requires the ability for a person confronted with a decision to be able to choose from among one or more possible options."