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Why worry about False Teachers?

Silverhair

Well-Known Member
@Ben1445 have you noticed that all you get from calvinists that have no answers is sarcasm.

I find that many that hold to the calvinist view cannot answer basic questions or provide any biblical defense of the views they hold.

Sad really that they will defend a failed philosophy rather than the word of God.
 

Ben1445

Well-Known Member
So not 'all' are saved then?

But not 'all' are saved.

Why not?

Why aren't all people saved.
Why don’t all people in the street go to the rescue mission for shelter? You think they are unable? Must the mission choose them first?


So not a serious question then.

I hope not.

Wow. Cool. So what are you doing with your 'dominion' over the earth?

???
You sound like you have never given any thought to the first responsibility given to mankind. My response is in answer to your snarky comment. Considering the way life works, you are probably participating involuntarily. I am using what I have been given to honor my Creator and Saviour.
You can mock me but you will be asked the same question by the Creator. Will you tell Him that you knew He had it all under control and you hid what He gave you in the dirt?
 

Mikoo

Active Member
Free will is free will @Mikoo There is no better or worse it just is.
But yours is superior because YOU chose Christ.
Your right I do know what free will is but the problem is that you do not.
But yours is superior because YOU chose Christ.
The fact you do not is shown by your comments.

So to help you understand what free will is I have include this explanation:

"Free will is the capacity for agents to choose between different possible courses of action (aka choosing “otherwise”). This does not require the person to be able to choose anything, nor does it require the absence of other influencing factors such as creation, conviction of sin, the gospel message, etc. It only requires the ability for a person confronted with a decision to be able to choose from among one or more possible options."
Who gave you 'free will'?
 

Mikoo

Active Member
Why don’t all people in the street go to the rescue mission for shelter? You think they are unable? Must the mission choose them first?
So you saved yourself?
You sound like you have never given any thought to the first responsibility given to mankind.
What is the first responsibilty given to mankind?
My response is in answer to your snarky comment.
Snarky? LOL. You just don't like what I am trying to get you to admit.
Considering the way life works,
How does life work?
you are probably participating involuntarily.
How does one participate in life involuntarily?
I am using what I have been given to honor my Creator and Saviour.
What have you been given? (now we may be getting somewhere)
You can mock me
Not mocking at all. You just don't like what you know are the real answers.
but you will be asked the same question by the Creator.
What question will that be?
Will you tell Him that you knew He had it all under control
God doesn't have 'it all under control'?
and you hid what He gave you in the dirt?
What does He give people? (come on, you can say it)
 

Ben1445

Well-Known Member
So you saved yourself?
What ignorance!!
As if I could come to Christ and make Him take my place!! I don’t think my salvation into being. I don’t think my Saviour onto the cross.
I am not my own Saviour.
You look at free will like it is transcendentalism.
What is the first responsibilty given to mankind?

Snarky? LOL. You just don't like what I am trying to get you to admit.
You talk a lot without saying anything.
Why don’t you just come right out and say what you believe instead of trying to fool people into saying something.

How does life work?

How does one participate in life involuntarily?
I’ve never met a person who doesn’t like to eat or be comfortable.

What have you been given? (now we may be getting somewhere)
Suppose you answer your questions instead of beating around the bush. I have no idea what you are trying to make me admit. And the list is too long to put it here.

Not mocking at all. You just don't like what you know are the real answers.
This is a construct of your imagination.

What question will that be?
Follow along. Go back and read. Pay attention. Use some of your superior intelligence that you are so unwilling to share.

God doesn't have 'it all under control'?
Once again you show your ignorance.
God has everything under control. God gave us responsibility. That is part of His control. If you don’t do your job correctly, you can be replaced.

Esther 4:14
For if thou altogether holdest thy peace at this time, then shall there enlargement and deliverance arise to the Jews from another place; but thou and thy father's house shall be destroyed: and who knoweth whether thou art come to the kingdom for such a time as this?
What does He give people? (come on, you can say it)
Do you breathe? God gave it to you.
Do you have a brain? God gave it to you.
Do you use your brain for something wrong? God did not give that to you.
 

Silverhair

Well-Known Member
But yours is superior because YOU chose Christ.
Free will is not qualitative @Mikoo. You either have free will or you do not.

But you are right I chose to trust in Christ Jesus for my salvation. That is what free will means.

Now for you as a calvinist you believe that God has determined all that you do and think. So you can think you are saved but you really have no way of knowing for sure. It could, as Calvin said, just be a false since of salvation.


who gave you 'free will'?
God
 

Van

Well-Known Member
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In an old and problematic scheme of things, it does not matter whether the gospel is presented accurately or not, no human being is able to respond to it appropriately anyway, because everyone in their natural fallen state suffers from total spiritual inability.

Then, again according to the outdated view, those individuals that were pre-selected before creation to be saved, are altered supernaturally by irresistible grace, such that they come to Christ. In such a scheme, the message does not matter, only whether or not God choose the foreseen individual for salvation.

Paul drives an alternate view home in Philippians 1:15-18. Paul says it does not matter if you hear Christ proclaimed from a person motivated by compassion and good will or from a wolf in sheep's clothing, because the message is everything.

In Matthew 23:13 we read where folks have responded to the message and are actually in the process of entering heaven when they are blocked by false teachers. So either the folks had some spiritual ability or they had received "irresistible grace" but then the grace could not have irresistible for they were blocked.

Bottom line, the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation.

Beware of False Teachers

Matthew 7:15,16 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits....

2 Timothy 4:3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.

Acts 20:29-31 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves . Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.

Matthew 15:9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. Consider who denies Jesus bought those heading for swift destruction with the false doctrine of limited atonement.

2 Peter 3:16,17 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

Hebrews 13:9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.

Clearly then, the gospel of Christ can be corrupted by the traditions of men, and the results can prevent folks from entering heaven. So we should stick with what the Bible says, and not add stuff never mentioned in the Bible, such as the folks of Matthew 23:13 entered heaven later. We are to believe what it says, not believe in things not said. Extrapolations based on logical necessity are fine, but saying one of a number of possible extrapolations is doctrine is unsound.
 
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