Why would Paul tell Christians not to do sins they are incapable of doing?

If I stole before my profession of faith and stole again after my profession of faith, can it be said I had repented (turned from sin and towards God)?

I say no.

If the Spirit convicts one of a certain sin, that one if he is repentant, will not commit the same sin later.

No, the Christian cannot commit the same sins He was convicted of. He will have turned from those sins and God will have removed them far from him.

 

[name of Lord used in vain--deleted- ]Do you have knowledge to the contrary? Can Jesus Christ deny Himself? We need to ask a couple of questions.

If God is for us, then who can be against us? Should any lay anything to the charge of those that are chosen of God? Who justifies us? I suggest you, as most here are justified through faith? If so, it is not your faith that is going to save you, but the faith of Jesus Christ. I don't believe you are condemning His faith, but are trying to condemn what you incorrectly believe is my faith, DHK, and some others. And in a way you could be correct for my faith is faith in Christ Jesus.

My Bible says "believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and I will be saved". I believe that with all of my heart, and I know I can't do one thing to undo what He says He can do. Wasn't it Christ that died for us, and arose again seated on the right hand of God His Father, making intercession for us? A fairy tale? I don't believe so.

Gotta' go, maybe back later.

 

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No, the Christian cannot commit the same sins He was convicted of. He will have turned from those sins and God will have removed them far from him.
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So a man who has committed every sin in the book ,gets saved ,so from then on he is sinless because he has repented of every sin. and can"t committ any one of them again .??? I would like to meet him .

 

And conversely, the poor soul who lived a pretty clean life prior to his conversion is doomed to be vexed by all manner of temptation after he gets saved. You are much better off to go and commit all manner of unspeakable sins now, if you plan on getting saved any time soon.

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Never said it was.

 

It is quite clear you are saying Luke 1:68-72 is a parable.

 

With the wording you have chosen I can't say I disagree with you as in that one Church are two buildings brought together. But elsewhere, on another day I posted, and not in these exact words, I'm not sure all are in the Body Church, for we know of the Kingdom Church. If we say all Christians are in the "Body Church", which I believe to be so, then are all those that believe as those in the Kingdom Church today unsaved? What of those that "straddle"? I am not ready to believe all others are destined to the lake of fire.

This I know and believe. Can you say the same, for you veer should a brother do what you believe beyond the Grace of God. In Christ is that Grace, and something can go beyond His Grace? What is this sin so powerful to escape and move above, or beyond our God?

Is there something even greater than the Love of God? Did He not adorn it with the Grace of Jesus Christ? It is this Grace that saves us, that God our Father sent us. We will be saved if we believe on our Lord Jesus Christ. Can we sin while we are saved in His Grace? With penalty yes - "But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons", Colossians 3:25. David paid, and so will we.

I don't blame you for being upset of what you believe I have said. I've never said there are two ways to heaven. We can only get there in being justified by faith, or justified through faith, but either way is of Jesus Christ. The "cornerstone" supports the foundation of those that build on it. Paul says he builds on that foundation, but will not on any other foundation that is laid by man. Paul is saying he will not build on the foundation that Peter lays on that foundation. That one foundation supports both the circumcision gospel of the Apostles, and the gospel of uncircumcision of the "one" Apostle. The "High Priest" entered into the Holy of Holies and laid down His life, and brought peace. We in Him have now been allowed into the Holiest Place in Him, and He has brought those two houses together, the Holy Place and the Most Holy. There is now no "curtain" between the two, the Kingdom Church, and the Body Church.

I know the above is true, but what I'm not quite sure of is determining the status of those that believe, or say they believe, the "great commission" gospel which is repent and be baptized for the remission of sins". On this however I have to take the stand that they are saved for they say they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation. But it is still the gospel of the "Kingdom Church", so the only way I have thus far been able to see these people are as proselytes in that Church for today there is no difference between the Jew and the Gentile. So to me those of Jewish "blood" now come as the Gentile into that "Kingdom Church".

We see the two (2) gospels are both given by the Word of God, Jesus Christ the Only Begotten Son of God. He gave one to His people for them to preach first to the nation Israel, and then to the world. That did not happen. Christ then gave another gospel to His one Apostle to both Gentile and Jew, and this gospel was then preached first to the Jew, and then also to the Gentile, and the Gentile heard it, then took it ran with it. However we see the Gentile has taken over both gospels that are of, and from, Jesus Christ. Two gospels, but only one way to get into heaven.

 

We can start in Luke to help understand the parable mentioned.

 

ituttut is correct in what he said here, as well as in posts # 196 and 225. HBSMN, you unfortunately misrread what you thought he wrote. Whether or not his interpretation is or is not correct is another question, and I will not get into that debate. Just setting the record straight.

Ed

 

Good points, Lacy and Rex!

The person who gets saved under the scenario of Rex vs. Lacy, if what some are putting forth, here, is in far greater danger of "losing his or her salvation" than the one saved under Lacy's scenario. And his or her supposed "license to sin" is far smaller, as well.

Does kinda' shows the fallaciousness and inconsistency of 'legalism', don't it??

Ed

 

I know of no one else that say there are those that straddle. Except you believe in Jesus Christ you will die in your sins.

No, you are wrong again and do make false accusations. Its not what I believe that upsets me!

Gal. 1:
8: But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9: As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


You run with your two gospels but leave me out of it. There were two people and they all had to come to the one person, Jesus Christ. They all had to repent, they all had to believe and they all had to be baptized by the Holy Ghost.
The Church in Hebrews may be Hebrew people but they were Christians for that had accepted Christ. Just because there may of been unsaved among them makes them no different that we are today.

Rom 1:16¶For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. (same gospel, the Hebrews were Christians and this is how they got that way.)

Col 3:11Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all.

 

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Jesus upbraided some after the fact:

KJV Revelation 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.​

These are deadly sins (sins unto death):​

KJV Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.​

KJV 1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.​

KJV John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.​

KJV John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.​

KJV John 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.​

HankD​

 

Lastly, if we used to walk in these ways,

IFReformer; why don't you realize that the churches then were as they are today and when I preach every Sunday, I realize I am preaching to believers and unbelievers, saved and unsaved. Paul recognized this also and is why he made such statements as "you have been washed", which separated them from the guilty. (not understanding this is why so many on here have the scriptures just flatly wrong, they use it to say Christians can do terrible sins when I believe that God's children are a pretty good bunch of people who can be trusted to do the right thing. We are no longer of the world but chosen out and if we still love the world and the things therein, then we have never been delivered. They even come on here to make a mockery of a child of God living a good life for the Lord, We shall all answer for such foolishness spoken out of our mouths. Men of God should be teaching others not to sin, not making a mockery of those who say Christian don't live in sin as they did before being born again for that is what separates them from the world. I would like to think I could go down town and not see the Christians in the "cat" houses or beer joints, not teach them they are capable of all those things).

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, separated them from the guilty.

11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
separated them from the guilty.

We don't believe in falling from Grace but yet God felt it necessary to put this scripture in the Bible. He did have a reason for it.
Hbr 6:6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame

If the message depended on just you and I then maybe such words would not of been used by Paul, but he knew the word needed others to spread it among the whole world so therefore he taught it all to them all. This thing was not done in a closet. I feel sure that there were those among all of the churches back then that were torn between staying under the Law or accepting Jesus as the Christ.

Sometimes when I preach, I catch myself and explain to them that I am not preaching to anyone in the congregation in particular, but just preaching the word so all will know.

I hope you understand what I am saying IFReformer.

 

When Paul said 'and such were some of you', he may have been speaking to all believers.

But...

A person on the left may have been guilty of fornication before salvation while one on the right was not. One in the front may have been guilty of drunkenness before salvation while one in the back was not.


But each one had the sins he or she was guilty of before salvation removed far from them at the time of salvation. That does not exempt them from other sins, just the ones they were convicted of.

As strated earlier, convicted means convinced. When one is convinced by the Holy Spirit that stealing is sin, the Holy Spirit is not going to tell them that it is wrong to steal one object, but not another. Same with adulter, idolatry, fornication, drunkenness (which begins at the first sip of alcohol by the way. After the first swallow, you are partially drunk whether you want to believe it or not), etc..

 

Support from one with understanding is always welcome.

 

Are you one that believes in the "great commission", as well as the "grace commission"? These do "straddle." And I agree with your "believe in Jesus Christ, as I said both believe by the Grace of God, Jesus Christ, we are saved.

I know, as it is what you believe that I said to you. I have never questioned what you believe, and don't blame you in your belief of taking issue with what you think I said. You misconstrued what I said, and it upset you.

I say what Paul says, and that is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and we will be saved. Any other gospel is not the gospel that Paul preached.

I run with only one gospel, but two were taught in that day, and two are taught in this day. Does the Catholic church preach "repent and be baptized for the remission of sin"? Is this not that other gospel taught and believed by many today? Why do you fail to recognize what scripture tells us. Where can you find the gospel of the Cross of grace preached before Damascus Road?

It is not me that wrote Matthew 28, Mark 16, or Luke 24. Did Jesus in these say preach to the world - by grace you are saved through faith without a work? Is this the gospel Peter preached at Pentecost? I believe scripture is the Word of God, I therefore believe this gospel in Matthew, Mark, and Luke is the gospel preached to those looking for the Kingdom that was at hand. I'm only quoting scripture and what Jesus said while He was on earth. I cannot refuse to believe these facts, the facts being the men of Israel asked Peter what they must do. I'll let you fill in what Peter said in Acts 2:38, and the events following.

There was nothing known at that time beyond what He (Peter) had been told to preach. That "Kingdom" was on its way as promised Israel, but the nation still refused Messiah. If you stop reading here then what gospel would you believe? Wouldn't it be this great commission gospel of the "Kingdom Church"? It would have to be for there was no other gospel known at that time, not until Christ Jesus revealed the grace commission, and gave it to Paul for it is the "dispensational gospel" we are to believe if we will only keep reading until we get to Ephesians 3. Then when we do get there we should be able to say, "I've never read this before". Should I believe this fellow Paul, or should I believe Peter at Pentecost. Most seem to want to hang onto both the "great commission", and the "grace commission". This is, in my opinion, considered "straddling".

As you wish.

And what way is that? I see you finally agree with me that Christ did tell Paul he was the Apostle to both the Gentile and the Jew? In Hebrews Paul exhorts and teaches the Hebrews their history as God's people. Where do you find in Hebrews the "Body Church" gospel of by grace you are now justified through faith upon believing on Jesus Christ for your salvation? The Book has nothing at all to do with the "Body of Christ", but of the "Kingdom" promised to them, those Hebrews of Israel. The "Church" houses all for we, and they, are on the foundation of Jesus Christ. In chapter 12 verse 28 we find they can have grace to serve God for they are receiving a "kingdom".

Brother Bob you are no longer in the Book of Hebrews of the "Kingdom", but now in the "Body of Jesus Christ", for it is in "His Kingdom" we are, and not the "Kingdom" He promised to His earthly Apostles - Luke 22:29. Can we call this "straddling"?

 

Guess what??

Peter's Gospel is just as important as Paul's. Peter preached not just belief, but repentance also... which the Lord Jesus Christ taught as well.

Paul not only taught believing on the Lord, but also confessing the Lord and calling on the Lord as well.

 

Amen, and they preached it to those of Israel, and some proselytes joined that "Kingdom Church" also. If we can believe what we read in the Bible, James, Peter, John and the others shook hands with Paul and Barnabas that they would not go to the Gentile with their gospel to the circumcised, as written in Acts and Galatians.

Agree again, and Paul had the authority from Christ Jesus in heaven to preach to both the Gentile and the Jew the "dispensational" gospel Christ gave to him, Paul.