Why would Paul tell Christians not to do sins they are incapable of doing?

I did not misquote you.

 

Before I got saved, I messed with drugs; marijuana, hash, kiloweed, speed, cocaine, and lsd. I also stole and drank alcohol.

Since my conversion more than a decade ago, I have not had one instance where I fell back into any of that.

Did I have the chance to? Yes. My sister and her husband were always messing with drugs and I was there to visit with her often. Many times she offered drugs to me and I would tell her I could not do them any more.

Why? Because the Holy Spirit was with me. Because those old sinful habits were removed from my life. I could in no way, shape or form have accepted the offer to 'snort a line' or 'toke on this with me'.

If your past sins are still with you, something is dead wrong.

Now, I am not saying I am sinless, I do fail from time to time, but I do not fail because of falling right back into the same sins I was in before I got saved... I cannot. Those sins have been removed far from me and cast into the depths of the sea.

And that sea has no need for a 'NO FISHING' sign, because God will not allow sins to be taken back out of that sea once He has put them there.

 

It has to be possible for a Christian to sin, or why would paul write this, and warn the "brethren"
Galatians 6:1-3 KJV
(1) Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
(2) Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
(3) For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

 

tim,

It is possible for a Christian to sin. But not the same sins that were taken away.

Revelation 3 says that what God shutteth no man openeth. If you could just get a grasp on that.

What God takes away, no man can take back.

 

It is possible for a Christian to sin. But not the same sins that were taken away. RIDICULOUS!




Rev 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; What does this have to do with sin?

 

Having eyes to see, they see not

 

If God is able to shut and no man can open, don't you think that he is able to take away and no man can take back?

He has removed our sin from us as far as the east is from the west. Are you able to reach that far?

He has cast them into the depths of the sea. Are you able to retreive them?

I am not.

 

I see those as being sins not unto death. The Lord said to get angry but sin not, which could include rage. brawling and slander I don't know unless you spead the word that someone was taking dope or something and it was true but unknown.

Here is the death blow and its your position.

Is Paul talking to the same group of people in Eph. 4 as He was talking to in Eph 2: YES!!!!!




1: And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2: Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4: But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5: Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6: And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

I didn't say they were all unsaved. It was a time of transition from the Law to Grace and there were always those who had not accepted Christ as of yet among them. He was talking to the saved all the time knowing there were unsaved among them, even as I do today.

 

OK......... then explain to me how Noah got drunk in Gen.9, Abram lied in Gen.12, Moses murdered in Ex. 2, David committed adultery in IISam.11, Peter blasphemed in Lu.22, and you brag about taking dope?

 

A person can grieve the Holy Spirit by just not obeying when the Spirit speaks to one to witness to someone, or to go to a certain place.

 

Shiloh,

I was not bragging about my past. I was bragging on the Lord for taking my past away.

'I once knew a man'.
That speaks volumes in itself.
As to Noah, Abram, Moses, David, and Peter, are there records in Gods Word of them committing the same sin more than the one time?

I can't find it.

Yes, Peter denied the Lord 3 times. But I believe it was prior to his being saved. Jesus told Peter 'when thou art converted...'

Just because Peter was an Apostle does not mean he was saved before the cross. Judas Iscariat was also an Apostle and he was not saved.

 

If what is in quotes is what the pastor said, he is absolutely right. A Christian can commit any sin. He still has a sin nature that he is at war with and that nature will never be fully over come until Christ takes him home. He is capable of any sin the unsaved is capable of. Provide Scriptural evidence of any other position.

When you say, "When we think that we are capable of committing any sin that is the time we WILL do it."
That is false and illogical. I have preaching what you heard that preacher preach for over 30 years and I have never fallen into adultery or any other of those "vile sins," as Amy defines them. I have often thought of why people jump off bridges and commit suicide, but that doesn't make me want to do it. When your thoughts turned to 9/11 do you automatically think of going out and hi-jacking an airliner? Do you think that the people that believe as that preacher believes or as I believe would do the same thing? I believe a little common sense should be added to your theology here.

 

Well, at least everyone is trying to distance themselves, from being the one who "did" commit such actions. It seems to always be someone else or no one at all, just that they can. If no one is doing it, just maybe they cant', they just don't know they can't.

 

Ecclesiastes 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Genesis 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Do you believe these verses Bob, especially Ecclesiastes 7:20. If you think you are just, you still sin. You do all the horrible things that other men do. If you deny it you deny the Word of God which is even worse. Look over the other Scripture as well. Tell me that your heart is not deceitful as God told Jeremiah. And that the imaginations of your heart are not wicked as God told Noah. You are a wicked man Bob, not because I say so, but because the Bible says so. I have posted the above Scripture so you can read it for yourself. Man sins. His thoughts are evil continually. They don't automatically become good continually just because you get saved. If they do, then I am talking to a corpse, and you are typing from heaven. If you maintain then you maintain a lie.

A Christian (including you) is capable of any sin, --any sin. Go back to Scripture and have a friendly talk to David about it. He is the only one in the Bible to have been called "a man after God's own heart." And yet his sin was terrible. Don't think that you can't end up the same way.

 

This Christian is not capable of the sins of his past. They have been removed and I will not commit them again.

 

You are being illogical.
Our past sins are under the blood; that is true.
However, a Christian is still capable of committing any sin.
I leid before I was saved, and I lied after I was saved. The Bible also says all liars shall have their place in the lake of fire, and if you are going to misinterpret that verse and come to the conclusion that it means me, then include yourself also. For Romans 3:4 teaches that all (saved and unsaved alike) are liars. Only God is true.
You are capable of committing any sin, any sin at all. There is no sin that you are not capable of committing. Where is such a doctrine taught in the Bible. Do you have Scriptural evidence that says a Christian cannot commit certain sins, and if so list the sins that a Christian cannot commit. There are some of us that have been waiting for this supposed list for a long time. I have never seen it yet--at least not one that has been agreed on.

 

To accuse Bob or anyone else of doing the evil that all other men do is wrong. You are judging Bob by things that were in the OT people. Saying that his heart is continually wicked is wrong. That was attributed to people before Noah's time.

As to David, show me where David committed that sin again once God convicted him of it... you cannot.

To accuse people that have been born of God of being a wicked man is just plain nonsense.

 

You are taking Romans 3:4 way out of context. If what is said by man does not line up with God's Word, then let that man be a liar. If the Holy Ghost is in the man, how can the man be a liar? That is where your logic is flawed.

No, I repeat, I will never be guilty of the sins that have been removed. Because I will never again commit those sins. I cannot. They are way beyond my reach.

God said that He took our sins and iniquities and cast the into the sea. He removed them from us as far as the east is from the west.. The list of sins I cannot commit may be different from the list of sins you cannot commit, or Bob cannot commit.. or anyone else.

God's Word says those I committed before Salvation were removed, they are removed. They are no longer in my grasp to commit again.

 

You take Romans 3:4 out of context to prove all men are liars, yet you fail to remember Paul also saying in another passage 'I speak the truth in Christ and lie not'. Paul said in another passage 'I say the truth in Christ'.

No my friend, man is only a liar when what man says does not line up with God's Word. Not just because Paul made the statement 'and every man a liar.'

 

From now on when I address you, discuss any topic with you, I will require you only to use the NT. I didn't know that you had thrown the OT out. Surely it isn't in the garbage yet is it?
What did Paul say to Timothy?

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
--Though we apply that verse to both OT and NT, at the time of its writing Paul was applying it specifically to the OT. The Scriptures that Timothy had were the OT. He tells Timothy that they are inspired and profitable. If they were profitable for Timothy, they are still profitable for us today.

However if it is NT, you want, what did Jesus say:

Mark 7:21-23 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
--The heart of man is evil. If you have a relationship with Jesus, you can ask him. It is his word. Show me in the Bible where this sin nature is ever eradicated. Don't just sit there and tell me that I can't use this verse or that verse. I know what my Bible says. I give you Scripture and you tell me: "No, no you can't do that."
Not much of a refutation is it? I don't want your little rebukes of not using Scripture. I want you to use Scripture to demonstrate that what I have said is not Scriptural.
"Ye do err not knowing the Scripture neither the power of God.