Will a Christian commit certain sins? PART TWO

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Originally Posted by Brother Bob
ituttut; "Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered."


BB; If the sins were forgiven at the cross and were covered by His blood, then why are they brought up again when committed years later to the point that some are saying that the "sin unto death" means physical death. That is a powerful punishment for something already forgiven.
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Tell that to those christians in,

1Cor 11.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

 

Again I ask, if the sins I committed before I got saved were removed from me as far as the east is from the west and cast into the depths of the sea, how can I commit the same sin? It is no longer in my life or in my grasp.

 

Again I ask, if the sins I committed before I got saved were removed from me as far as the east is from the west and cast into the depths of the sea, how can I commit the same sin? from the Safe Harbor eagle

Answer: because we still have an old nature! We now can ask forgiveness...1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Explain 2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

 

I believe all my sins I had committed were forgiven and covered by the blood. I don't believe I will need to be covered again for a Christian don't committ such things as homosexuality etc. Christians do sin but not the sin unto death so now we have an advocate with God for those sins plus God will use the chastement rod to punish us for our sins that are not unto death.
I am not one of those who believe that Christians are not a new creature.

2Cr 5:17Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

This is what I believe if it were possible for a Christian to sin unto death.

Hbr 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (this scripture was not written to fill up space).

1Jo 3:9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Jo 5:18¶We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1Pe 1:23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Tts 2:14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Mat 12:37For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

I will never understand what some say that Christians still sin the same after being saved. I think it is sickening also.

1Cr 3:16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1Cr 3:17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.

 

You are the one saying the sin was paid for twice.

 

Yep, I can see it now. As a believer you have to know that Jesus is always with us. C'mon Jesus... follow me... lets have a go at the neighbor's wife...
Or how about taking Jesus with you for a homosexual relationship? How about taking Him to the local x rated theater?
If one is a believer, how can someone purposely take thier Lord and Savior with them to commit any sin?
I know we all fall short daily. But Lord help us to understand that you are with us always. Help us to know that we involve you in everything we do. :tear:

 

I guess that about says it all reformedbeliever. The Lord shall deliver us, not maybe. Now if we were being a Christian on our own, then maybe they might be right, for we are weak creatures, but "born again" Christians, are never on their own, for Jesus said "I will never leave you nor forsake you". Thank God for all He has given us.

Hbr 13:5[Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

 

Bob, I must say I think this is the most condensed statement on what you believe that I have seen in these threads.

You have failed yet through all the many topics and threads to connect a sin unto death with a list of supposed sins a Christian could never do. This so reminds of the Catholic idea of mortal sins and venial sins(again not supported by the Scriptures).

As far as us being new creatures, I have not seen one person on any of these threads argue that we are not a new creature - one again a straw man argument on your part.

You simply insert into the Scriptures that when a Christian becomes a new creature, he can do the little sins(sins that don't lead to death) but he is not capable of doing the big sins(murder, adultery, lying...) I don't recall Paul putting your list of bigs sins the new creature cannot commit but I do know that when he said we are new creatures he explains what it means to be new creatures in these passages:

Before I was a new creature, I was not capable of following God, I only could follow my flesh. Then the Holy Spirit regenerated me at the time of my belief, and made me a new creature. I now have the ability to allow God the Holy Spirit to guide my actions, I can yield to him instead of yielding to sin. Thats what makes me a new creature.

Again, being a new creature does not mean I become incapable of doing a certain list of sins, it just means I now have the capacity and help of the Holy Spirit to say no to those sins if I am yielding myself to him as I ought to be.

IFBReformer

 

The question is, are you saying NO!! How much worse is it now that you have the ability to say No, if you say YES!!

You just said The Holy Spirit guides you and then you ask for a list? Just let the Holy Spirit lead you and It will not lead you to a sin unto death. If you do that, you won't need a written list. Be honest with yourself. IMO, you speak both ways and a double minded man is unstable in his ways.

again,
Hbr 13:5[Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

I like the way reformedbeliever, put it in the above post.

You are either in or you are out. If you are out while you have the chance and opportunity, you better make it right.

Just wondering, which of the following scriptures you find so condensed, so the Lord will know how you feel about the scriptures?


2Cr 5:17Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

This is what I believe if it were possible for a Christian to sin unto death.

Hbr 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (this scripture was not written to fill up space).

1Jo 3:9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Jo 5:18¶We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1Pe 1:23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Tts 2:14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Mat 12:37For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

I will never understand what some say that Christians still sin the same after being saved. I think it is sickening also.

1Cr 3:16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1Cr 3:17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.
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Brother Bob,

I believe Ephesians 4 warrants its own thread see that new one in a few minutes.

IFBReformer

 

I'm not Brother Bob, and Ephesians 4 may well warrant its own thread, but how did we get there? I just looked at the last 40 posts, without seeing Ephesians 4 being referenced even one time.

Ed

 

Sorry for the confusion brother Ed, but you hit the nail on the head - it has not be referenced so far as I can tell. Thats why I am starting a new thread on it.

IFBReformer

 

ittuttut,

All Scripture is for our profit and as such, are to be applied to us even today. 2 Timothy 3:16,17.

You cannot say one jot or one tittle of God's Word is not applicable to us today.

 

I know enough. Tell me what you believe is inconsistent with my statement.

 

I certainly hope you have a Battlement built on your roof then...
Deuteronomy 22:8 KJV
(8) When thou buildest a new house, then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof, that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence.

You may want to reword what you said....

 

Tim,

Notice where it says 'When thou buildest a new house...'?

I reckon if I ever build a new house, I just may put a wall on the roof. But unless the Lord intervenes, I cannot build, nor did I build the one I am in.

 

Fair enough answer.... :wavey: