Will a Christian commit certain sins?

It was just his way of expressing himself. If the man was unsaved he would have labeled him unsaved in no uncertain terms. He would know. There is no such thing in Paul's eyes as one who is "not a true believer." Paul knew no such expression. People were either saved or lost. Paul refers to these as those that are "named a brother," just as when he addressed others he writes "called to be saints. It is a similar expression.

Look here.
2 Corinthians 2:6-7 Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many. So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow.

It is apparent that this believer had repented. Now Paul says it is time to forgive him and let him back into the church. His punishment (being excluded from the fellowship of the church) is sufficient. Now it is time to comfort him, lest he be comsumed with sorrow. The sorrow that this man had was evidence of the repentance that he had for his sin. It wasn't repentance of salvation, but for the sin that he had committed. They were to forgive him, comfort him, and allow him back into their fellowship.

 

Nothing about what I said was a personal attack (I am sorry if you took it that way...forgive me) it was simply a suggestion. Your posts seem to be emotional reactions to the opposing arguments instead of well reasoned responses. Forgive me if I have read to much into it.

Max

 

My posts may have emotions in them but that is only because I am a passionate person. In no way is there anger or discord.
I have tried to quote scripture every post. If I turn it to other than scripture please let me know.

He did label him. He called him a "fornicator".

 

Amen!

That is what I originally posted. 2 Cor. 2 is the evidence of a restored "brother." Thank you for pointing that out again.

Max

 

It is apparent that this believer had repented. Now Paul says it is time to forgive him and let him back into the church. His punishment (being excluded from the fellowship of the church) is sufficient. Now it is time to comfort him, lest he be comsumed with sorrow. The sorrow that this man had was evidence of the repentance that he had for his sin. It wasn't repentance of salvation, but for the sin that he had committed. They were to forgive him, comfort him, and allow him back into their fellowship.

Scripture? I read where the man had finally repented so now Paul was asking the church to forgive him also and receive him.

We do the same thing when we have to withdraw fellowship and we see someone has repented then we receive him back by the door.

 

2 Corinthians 2:6-7 Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many. So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow.

 

We just gave it!

2 Corinthians 2

Max

 

Almost every commentary on the subject says differently Amy. Besides that you still have no explanation for 1Cor.5:11. Why does Paul use the word "brother?" Why is the word "brother" used at all if that group of people are unsaved? It doesn't make sense does it?

 

We would bring it on ourselves, and could blame no one else.

Careful my friend. Is it my doctrine you are condemning, or that of Christ Jesus? You are saying you, or any Christian will never sin again. You can't do anything for yourself, yet you can do anything while in your present body. That is the doctrine of faith in self, and these are the very ones that continue in their sins.

Paul answers correctly, and must be understood. You are saying one sin and you are hell bound. That is not doctrine of the Christian faith. Romans 6:16, 17, and 22 tells us what that sin is, and 23 gives us the cure. To whom are we Christian's slaves? To God or to Satan we stand or fall. No Christian will continue sinning in a sin, or that one is not a Christian. Our doctrine is of our heart and one sealed by the Holy Ghost cannot continue in a sin for we are slaves to our God and Savior. As sons of God we will obey just as slaves for with a great price we have been bought, and it is God that owns us. Not all stray as far as some do, but whatever we may do, God's love is stronger. He has the power to save and forgive, and did so at calvery.

We can step outside of the Holy Spirit, and we must know who we believe, and be persuaded that He can keep us against that day (II Timothy 1:12). We are sinners and must live with that fact, and be on guard every moment. We are at war, and it is we sinners that He died for. We do err if we think in our weakness we can't do certain sins. We will have a bit put in our mouth, to turn us, and if not and we fall down with no life in us, we know our redeemer lives, therefore we will live with Him forever.

I teach nothing but His Word understood. You don't seem to understand that you are guilty of every one of those sins listed above, but you have been made righteous in Him, and in Him there is no unrighteousness. It is impossible for us to be righteous on our own, Romans 3:10.

Who do you believe is justifying you? Are you boasting in your works of the law to save you? We must have faith in our redeemer, Romans 3:27.

Your signature belies your writings above. Through faith we are saved regardless of what happens between our saving belief in Him, and our judgment by Him at our awards ceremony. Are you not denying the power of God.

 

I say it is my doctrine or that of Jesus you are condemning.
I am saying no such thing. I am saying we do not sin unto death.

Again, you misquote me.
I say if its a sin unto death, he was never saved to start with.

I agree totally with this scripture. shame others don't.

My point exactly.
So, my friend if my righteous is in Him of which it is then He would have to fall for me to sin unto death.

It is not I who denys the "power of God". I believe "His Grace is sufficient to keep me". It isthose who say that the saved commit "sin unto death" that do not believe it.

 

This has been fun, but I have to go for the evening.

Thanks for the lively debate.

Max

 

Have a good evening Pastor MHG.

 

I believe the man spoken of in 2 Corinthians 2 is the same man mentioned in 1 Corinthians 5. But I still do not believe he was saved in the first Epistle.

Paul referred to Him as a fornicator, and a wicked person. Paul did not tell the church to approach the man one on one, or two or three on one, and then the Church as Christ prescribed.

Paul said put such an one away from among you.

Being called a brother does not make on a Brother. I know a man who was in Church for many years, was the music director for several of those years, but will admit that he was lost for a majority of the years that he was in the Church, even while he was behind the pulpit.

Many that are in Church are not of the Church. Many that are called brethren do not even know Christ as Lord and Savior of their lives.

This man in the first Epistle to the Church at Corinth was lost. But somewhere after his being excommunicated by the Church, the Lord brought him under conviction and he repented of his sins and Paul heard of this. Paul then instructed the Church in his second Epistle to forgive this man and receive him.

Nowhere in the first Epistle does Paul say the man was saved.

 

Jesus said to the rich young ruler: "Why callest thou me good. There is one good, My Father in heaven."
No one is good. Paul says in Romans 3: "There is none good no not one."
Evil is present with us, around us, and even in us.

Romans 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

Jesus said out of the heart proceeds adulteries, fornication, murder, adultery, etc.
All sin proceeds from the mind, the heart, from within. That is where evil or sin originates. If you deny that then you are claiming sinless perfection. Every sin that you commit is evil, and comes from within. That includes adultery, as well as pride, anger, lying, cheating, etc. It is all evil, and it all comes from within a person.

Paul referred to him as a brother in verse 11, and there is no other explanation for that except that he was a saved individual. In 2Cor.2, Paul exhorts the church to accept the erring brother back into the church for he had repented of his sin, not salvation. Excommunication is practiced on a believer not on an unbeliever. The whole process that the individual went through would have been totally unnecessary if the person was an unbeliever. By default unbelievers are not members of local churches. Discipline is not exercised on unbelievers. There is the lost and the saved. Only these two groups exist. Discipline is brought upon the believers who fall into sin; never upon the unsaved. Heb.12 mentions how God chastens his own. He says of the unsaved that they are "illegitimate." Those are the "pretenders." God doesn't chasten them. One knows that he is a child of God, if, when he does disobey God, he receives the chastening hand of God. Discipline of the believers in the local church is also an action that the church can take against its members when necessary.

 

They had no discipline of this man after he was kicked out of the church except to keep him out.
Chastisement is not in the hands of the church but of the Lord Himself. Paul said this man was "called a brother" but in reality was a fornicator, hardly a saved person. The church does cast out unbelievers, hopefully that is all they cast out of which this person was cast out.
Again, the discipline was going to be meeted out by satan by the destruction of the flesh, not the church. After he was cast out they had no more control over him except to keep him out.

 

Do you see this as a scriptural mandate to expel nonbelievers from our church buildings if they do certain things? I have yet to see the world not act like the world. Are just the "sort-of bad" non-christians prospects for salvation and fellowship?

I see absolutely no scriptural support for Christians' treating a non-believer like this. If fact, he is not a member of Christ's body and therefore not "among them" could never be cast out of something he is not "in".

I also fail to see this mythical "false professor" in the Bible. There are believers and non-believers. Seems to me like someone invented a "fall guy" to take the warnings that are really given to true believers.

lacy

 

Jud 1:4For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Church has a duty to keep the church as unspotted as possible.

Jam 1:27Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Isa 58:1¶Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.

 

Please show me the verse that says the man definitely was saved in the first Epistle. You cannot, for it is not there.

As I said, one can be called a brother, but does not necessarily make one a Brother.

Paul said that he received his instruction from the Lord, and was not taught it of man. Don't you think he would have received the same instruction that Jesus prescribed in Matthew 18?

I do.