Will a Christian commit certain sins?

You know Jesus drove the moneychangers out of the temple...

I am sure they had their form of godliness and many probably thought they were doing God's will.

 

I would even think the moneychangers were members of the temple, else the priests would have tossed 'em out.

 

Phenomenal eisegesis!

Ed

 

Ed,

Maybe you can show proof beyond a shadow of doubt that the man was saved?

 

What is Phenomenal about it? It is what Apostle Paul believed and he knew about it before ever addressing the church.

 

Then why do you accuse His faith of leading some to say they are capable of molesting their own children? Isn't it His faith that says we do not sin unto death?

So again, you are saying when a person sins a sin unto death, it is another "unpardonable sin". You seem to have captured something in scripture that has eluded the rest of us. What are these sin's unto death you have identified that God does not have the power to save is from?

Can you teach me, and show me how you have become perfect in body to never sin again? Again you seem to know much about this "sin unto death". Can you help us all here with your take on what points to more "unpardonable sins"?

Is it not by His Grace that He saves us? Do we agree He has the Power, so from what does He save us? He saves you from "sin unto death" of being a slave to Satan. We sinners that sin will not continue to follow that flickering candle of light. We turn back to Christ to light our way for He is the Light.

 

Bro. Bob your absurdities do nothing to further your point. As a matter of fact any "rationally" thinking person should have started tuning you out a long time ago. Unfortunately there are people that still listen to you

 

1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

If he wasn't a brother they woud not have to judge him.

 

Does not the passage in Matthew speak of a brother having been wronged? To compare this to the situation in I Cor. 5, is to compare apples and oranges. Here, this thing was publically known, even to the extent that it had reached Paul's ears. It was not the same sort of case of A vs. B.

Now let us look at I Cor. 5.

The very fact that Paul specifically mentions the outside world vs. the church, is a sure sign that Paul considered this one a part of the assembly. Over looked is the fact that Paul has already written one Epistle to the Corinthians, which God, the Holy Spirit did not intend to be Scripture, and in fact, we know not of what it said, but I'm pretty sure those in Corinth knew.

Actually to my knowledge, there are three categories of "brothers" or "brethren" mentioned in Scripture. Ther may be more, but these are those which quickly come to mind.

First is those of the human family, e.g. Jesus and his brethren, Jude, James, et. al. and His sisters.

The second is those who are "brethern in Christ' i.e. 'believers' or 'saints'. Some of these are said to be able to "be overtaken in a fault". I submit that is is one of those.

The third is those "false brethren" who ...

... were the legalistic sorts. Why does that not surprise me?


Ther is no indication that there was any such thing, in I Cor. 5. The attempted eisegesis of "called" simply does not hold water. He was a brother and specifically one who was overtaken in 'trespass'.

I'm sure that any such situation, temptation or sin could never happen to some BB members because they have stated that to be true.



Ed

 

Bob, the eisegesis is the 'attempt' to "get the man saved" between I. Cor. 5 and II Cor. by the lady or gent who wrote the post.

Ed

 

Ask them why they say such a thing. I say if they been born again, they can't do such a thing.

You are making up stuff ituttut; I never said God could not forgive them if they repent. I am saying they are not born again if they molest their children. If you believe God's children can molest their own children, go for it.

Maybe you could show me where I said the body is perfect? We are saved by His Grace and we are kept by His Grace. Some want to cut it off at the cross but Jesus didn't.

I agree and if He is able to save us, He is able also to keep us.
You believe He was able by His Grace to forgive our sins and cast them into a sea, but do you believe by His Grace, He is also able to keep us or do you believe that we were not washed and sanctified.

 

You are the one irrational, a Christian does not mean being saved. What kind of doctrine is that?

Anyway, I have used the Bible all the way and still continue on. You just can't overcome the word of God, so you slander.

All the scriptures I have used have stood the test. I can't understand why all of you do not work for the upbuilding of God's church instead of tearing it down?IMO

 

If you find one of these, you think the church would put him away from them. hmmmmm

Jud 1:4For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.IMO

 

Can you emphatically say that every single person in your congregation is saved? Even those that you may greet with the title of 'Brother'? or 'Sister'?

Paul only said the person was 'called a Brother'. Yet in other Epistles, he speaks of 'our Brother Timothy', Tychicus a beloved Brother, Onesimus a faithful and beloved Brother.

No, Paul was pointing out the the man was 'called a brother', yet was proven to be a fornicator and a wicked person.'

If he were a Brother Paul would have addressed him as 'a Brother' as he did Timotheus, Tychicus, and others instead of 'called a Brother.

 

There are many Ed, that don't believe 2 Corith is the same man. I am not sure myself but for arguments sake, lets say it is. He repented to God and suffered and then the Church also had to forgive him and take him in as a member.IMO

 

If the man in 1 Corinthians 5 was a Brother caught in a fault, he would have instructed the Church to restore such an one, not cast him out.

NO, the man was not a Brother. That is why the Church was instructed to put away that wicked one.

 

If you find one of these, you think the church would put him away from them. hmmmmm

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Jude clearly shows that ungodly men creep into the Church. Seems that Ed and others want to place those ungodly men as being saved and just erring.

 

We could use "false brethern" butI don't think the scripture teaches he was a "brother" at all. He was just "called a brother" but Paul labeled him correctly by saying he was a "fornicator".

 

No, I cannot "show proof beyond a shadow of a doubt" that anyone is saved, or not saved. All I can do is cite Scripture. But I am also very leery of 'anecdotal evidence' from example to 'reverse prove' this, as well. The instance you cite, with the music director, is one of those examples. How did the man "know he wasn't saved? Is it because of Scripture? Or did he merely "feel" that to be the case?

John 6:47 says, where Jesus is speaking,

When one believes, the case is closed, and the person has passed from death unto life. It matters not whether one was "sure" at the time; it is what Jesus said. I cannot say with certainty, that I knew enough to know whether or not I was saved, even though I had a wonderful feeling, at the time, and was certainly intentional of being saved. But my 'walking the aisle' had nothing to do with it, nothing at all, NOT ONE SINGLE THING!, yet some time later, I can and did certainly know and have the assurance of my salvation. How I felt then or later was of absolutely no value, and had no bearing. My assurance is based on Scripture, not any "experience" I can call back to!

Ed