Will a Christian commit certain sins?

It's called correct doctrine and not being blinded by 20th-21st century definitions. It's called using the term as it is used in Scripture not how modern-day people use it Bro. Bob. That's what kind of doctrine it is.

The term Christian, as used in Scripture, was not identifying someone as a "saved" person it was identifying them based on their actions. They were being Christ-like.

Just because someone is a believer in the finished works of Christ does not mean they act Christ-like.

Even your doctrinally incorrect buddy HBSMN can see that, as he is the one that posted the correct definition in the first place.

A Christian means your walk is matching your talk.

I don't know when the meaning of the word changed, but today whether someone acts Christ-like or not as long as they believe they are deemed a "Christian." And that is a distortion of the word. Come on Bro. Bob. That's not that difficult. That should not have thrown you.

Of course you do Bro. Bob, but so do the Mormons and the Jehovah Witnesses, but that doesn't make them right. Just because you can quote a verse of Scripture doesn't mean that the conclusions you are drawing from that text are correct, especially when you start reading things into the text like you and HBSMN have with I Corinthians 6.

Bro. Bob seriously. God's word is not to be overcame, it is to be believed AS IT IS WRITTEN. I believe every passage that you have listed. I just don't agree with what you have read into the texts. Big difference there Bro. Bob!

Well you must be using a flawed test :laugh: because it doesn't pass the Scripture test!!

Again more absurdities. Who here in this thread has ever talked about tearing down the church? Talk about slander Bro. Bob.

Just because someone deals in reality instead of fairy land doesn't mean one is trying to tear down the church. If a saved individual is in unrepentant sin they should be dealt with according to Scripture even to the point of removal if it comes to that.

Bro. Bob do you remove fellowship for gossippers at your church? Do you disfellowship liars at your church? Or are those sins not bad enough for your church to deal with?

 

Amen and amen!!!

So many Biblical mistakes would be avoided if we just wouldn't mutilate the simple gospel of grace through faith apart from works.

 

You love your little slurs but they are meanless.

Tore down your little play house didn't we? We are the ones who quoted 1 Corth. 6: word for word. so if you have a problem with it, take it up with the Lord.

If someone lied to the church, we would let him go.

Well, all the big guns have gathered at the corral but none have been able to overcome the word of God.IMO The word will stand when the world is on fire.

Also, you say you are not tearing down, but all those who hear what has been said on here that Christians are capable of robbing them and sliting their throats while they come in to testify, will be extremely careful if they let you in again.

 

Well, he is spoken of as "suffered" but I don't find where the Scripture ever says he "repented", although he apparently did, as I understand repentance, but not most. Why not stick to the words of Scripture nad what it says rather than inject our own ideas there? I have habitually taken issue about attributing repentance to David, Moses, Abraham, et. al., when Scripture never says that. I see no difference, here.

And I'm still waithing for a year, now, for someone -ANYONE- to tell me what "sins" God repented of. or did not repent of since Scripture says that at least 30 times? C'mon, gang! Surely someone can tell me which sins they are since they can keep speaking of "repenting of your sins". Or would the Scripture interfere with the theology too much?!?

Ed

 

J. Jump says he does not read into the Scriptures but claims that some that are Children of God will spend 1000 years in hell. That is reading into the Scriptures what is not there.

 

Several others spoke of repentance of that man. Did you happen to mention it to any of them or just me?

 

You didn't tear down anything at all. While you quoted the text word for word, it is what you read into the text and the () that your try to insert which is the problem. There is not one thing that is wrong with the text. What is wrong is "YOUR" conclusions that "YOU" draw and then expect others to follow.

If you went by the what the text "SAYS" then you wouldn't even be arguing the point your are arguing, because what the text "SAYS" does line up with what "YOU" say.

It's not a matter of lying to the church. If you have a member that is a chronic unrepentant liar they don't belong in your church. But I guess you are just willing to overlook that huh Bro. Bob?

Well I guess if you consider yourself, HBSMN and Amy to be the big guns I guess you are right You have not been able to overcome the word of God. Although I'm not sure why you try :BangHead: .

And yes Bro. Bob the word of God will stand no matter what you three try to read into it! Of that you can be for sure!!!

Bro. Bob I know when your fairy world is destroyed its hard to return back to reality, but you must try. Deal in reality, because this statement is not a statement in reality, but more of your absurdities.

 

I responded to your post, but the question is and was for any and all, and I have has and asked this question of several for a full year. You merely happened to be in the thread and I was responding to your post.

I point a finger at no one, but have openly asked this question at least ten times in various posts, and commented in more than that over the year I've been around the BB.

It is and has been an open question, and I can bring up the original thread, although it might take me some time, if anyone would like.

Ed

 

Sin is the Transgression of the Law...

The Word of God commands repenting of transgressions...
Ezekiel 18:30 (KJV) Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD.

Clearly, one is to repent of sin.

 

And all you can do is change the subject time and time again because you can't stand on your own two feet. Why do you keep bringing this up HBSMN. Is there not enough people living in your fairy world? You and others have been more than dealt with on that topic. Again as hard as it is for you to do just try to stay on topic and defend this doctrine that you think is so correct. Because after 30 pages you've yet to show Scripture that says a portion of the sin nature has been destroyed and the rest of it has been allowed to remain.

And I wonder why none of the three of you have commented on James' question halfway through this topic and that is why is God powerful enough to keep a Christian from committing the "horrible" sins, but yet He is not powerful enough to keep us from sinning all together.

Why would He allow someone to not commit murder, homosexuality, adultery (Bro. Bob's favorite) yet still allow someone to lie, have sex outside of marriage, bear false witness, steal, etc.

I'm very curious to hear the answer of the doctrinally incorrect trinity on that one.

 

No where does it say the man in 1Corth. was saved. How come you say he was saved? I say what Paul said that he was "called a brother" and Paul said he was a "fornicator". It don't say what you say, so how can you accuse me when its you that said what the scripture don't say?

Trying so hard to find something on me aren''t you? Yes, we would exclude for lying, or sowing discord.

I don't think its necessary for me to go back and copy your posts to prove what you said. I will mention one. You said you were capable of molesting your own son.

Now, J. Jump; I see you are an evangelist. I don't know how often you preach but I would like to trade out something with you.
You pick out anything on this board I have said on any thread and any post and I will tell my congregation the exact word this weekend.

Then, I will pick out something you have said on here and you repeat it to the next congregation you are in front of.

Will you agree to this?

 

God did not repent of any sins. God cannot sin.

When the Bible speaks of Him repenting, it is not of sin, but of something other than sin.

But man has to repent of sin, man has to turn away from sin.

If he does not, he is none of God's.

 

J.Jump, you accuse us of reading into the Scripture what is not there, yet it is you who are reading what is not there. I was pointing this out.

You are pointing your finger at Amy, Bob, and myself as erring in our interpretation of Scripture when you have three of your own fingers pointing back at yourself.

You have yet to produce Scripture to prove your idiotic claim that a Child of God will go to hell for a thousand years.

We have produced Scripture to back what we have spoken.

 

I will answer that question.

A Child of God will not willfully sin.

Paul did not sin willfully. Paul stated:

Paul clearly said the evil (sin) that he did, he did not want to do. It was not willfull sin.

A Child of God will not willfully lie, steal, etc. If you find yourself stealing willfully, lying willfully, coveting willfully, etc., you better have a talk with the Lord.

 

Well, I'll agree that transgression of the Law is sin, but sin is far more than that, even by the definition of the word, itself. The Greek word means "I miss the mark".

"Sigh!!" But Ezekiel 18:30 does not say what you implied. For you managed to miss the little word "AND" It says "REPENT" (nacham) "AND" "TURN (shub) yourselves from all your transgressions..." Nacham means literally to sigh; to be eased, to be comforted. One cannot 'turn' (be converted in the NT, "'epistrephO") until after one 'repents' "SIGH!" And repentance is said to be toward God, not toward sin! (Acts 20:21) Our 'look' and eyes are to be toward Jesus, not inwardly toward our sins, or sin nature! When we repent (change outr mind) about jesus, then we can move away form our past sins, and as we grow feeding the new nature we received at the new birth, and with the aid of the Holy Spirit, we can then and then only 'repent of our sins'. But this is not how this is usually preached, even though it's what the Bible teaches!

FTR, by sighing twice in the post, I twice repented, OT style!

Ed

 

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.- ROMANS 4:5

Theres the proof If you accept Christ as your saviour then you will inherit the kingdom of heaven regardless of what you do or dont do...

 

Amen, Bro.! Romans 4:5 do say it all, don't it?

Ed

 

Sorry Ed,

Repent and turn in Ezekiel 18 are the same Hebrew word 'shuwb' which means

'To turn back'

Repent in that verse does not mean 'Sigh' as you infer.

 

Well now we aren't even talking about the same passage . . . I was talking about I Corinthians 6 where you, HBSMN and Amy all say that:

And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

somehow this verse "says" the "some" were "unsaved," but the text DOES NOT say that. You are reading into Scripture that they were unsaved, based on your preconceived bias that saved people can't sin those sin. Because of your belief you read this text in a certain way instead of just allowing the text to speak.

Bro. Bob I don't even have to break a sweat. Your own words are enough

What in the world are you talking about Bro. Bob?

 

Can't you at least come up with something original. :thumbs:

Again stay on topic. I know that's hard for you to do, but try as you might. That topic has already been discussed. You couldn't disprove it then and you still can't. So you keep chanting this chant in your lala land and convince yourself that it is true if you want to, but I stay here in reality.

Blah, blah, blah . . . you people really are like a broken record. You just throw out a text, which doesn't even say what you want it to say. You are shown to be incorrect, but the only thing you can say in the end is this nonsense. The text you have provided DIDN'T EVEN MENTION sin nature and/or desires. What part of that are you not getting? That text doesn't say what you say. So I'll continue to go with Scripture without your bias () added to it if you don't mind.