Will a Christian commit certain sins?

Sounds willful to me.

If you mean willfully live a sustained lifestyle of sinful rebellion, that's a different story.

But it's entirely possible for a Christian to engage in a rebellious act. Of course, God's punishment will follow.

 

Those verses are not talking about the Child of God, rbell.

Or do you believe the Child of God can lose his or her salvation?

 

Sin bringeth forth death.

John 11:26 (KJV) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

James was not speaking of the Child of God when he said that one is drawn away by his own lust and in the end the sin brings death to that one...

Jesus was telling the truth that the one who lives and believes in Him would never die.

The answer is clear. James was speaking of an unsaved person

 

um, you're wrong. Quite wrong.

James 1, in context, is specifically addressed to believers. He refers to "my brothers" before and after said passage.

I stand by my assertion.

 

You are correct, and I assumed without looking it up what word was used, in Ezek. 18. I was aware that threee times the word 'shub' or 'shuwb' is incorrectly rnedered "repent' in the KJV. So the ASV, Darby, and YLT get it right! The word for 'repent' is not even found in the passage, which I admit, I did not check, let alone giving a definition of "turn from your sins".

As 'shub' or 'shuwb' is rendered some 600 times basically as turn or return, therefore, "Return, and turn from your..." is the correct rendering, Biblically, if not theologically!

I guess I have to 'sigh" again!

Ed

 

Then you must believe that a Believer can lose his or her salvation; for, sin when it is finished bringeth forth death.

Death implies Separation from Christ, not abiding in Christ.

 

Then we are all doomed, and the Cross has no purpose. A fairy tale to some.

Brother Bob, how can I make up stuff when I am quoting you? You just said it above, "if they been born again, they can't do such a thing." If they can never do such a thing, how are they going to repent? Your quote above leaves no option for turning again to Christ, for you have determined they are not capable of ever sinning again.

It is not something I believe on my own, but witness in His Word. This has been pointed out to you before ---------- Please take the time to read this time I Corinthians 5:1 (fornicator having his father's wife), then verse 5 to turn this one over to Satan for destroying the flesh in order for his spirit to be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

If this had not happened in this day of grace, with the Power of the Holy Spirit Paul had at that time, he would have no doubt done just as Peter had done, (before our day of grace came at Damascus Road), with Ananias, and wife Sapphira. Why? Because this terrible act of the two carries the death penalty for both as shown in Leviticus 20:11, and Deuteronomy 22:30; 27:20.

Praise God we live in this "dispensation of Grace". This "excommunication" will shame this man so that it is for his own good, for the man turns again to God as we see in II Corinthians 2:5-11, "But if any have caused grief, he hath not grieved me, but in part: that I may not overcharge you all.
6. Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many.
7. So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow.
8. Wherefore I beseech you that ye would confirm your love toward him.
9. For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.
10. To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;
11. Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices." How can we condemn and not forgive when God has done so. We are not to listen to Satan when he points out to us that Christian over there that sins, is not saved at all for Satan wishes us to think that God did not have the Power at the Cross to forgive the child molester you speak of.

You said it before, and you said it above - quote "I say if they been born again, they can't do such a thing".

We agree on these points, but differ in our understanding of our salvation. Today we are in Christ Jesus spiritually having been "circumcised, and baptized without hands". We are now safe in the "Body Church", but not until we are raptured, dead or alive, will we be glorified, not knowing exactly sure what we will be, however we will be like him……..but not until then. We while living in these bodies will still be susceptible to the wiles of the Devil. We are capable of anything and must be vigilant to not believe we are now past being fooled by our adversary.

 

Huh????????????


We are now safe but not until we are raptured? That doesn't even make any sense.

And as I said earlier, there is nowhere in Scripture to indicate that the man was saved before his affair with his step-mother. So how can he 'again turn to God' as you say? The Scripture certainly doesn't say he again turned to God.

 

You haver taken ituttut's partial quote entirely out of context, by quoting this in this way, for he is not saying what you are saying he said, Please reread his comment.

I do not always agree with him, but here he is right. Our glorification does not come until the rapture, whether we are alive or asleep in Jesus, at the resurrection. That is absolutely clear from Scripture.

Ed

 

If the "saved" can molest and kill their own child then the cross was of "none" effect as on said he was "capable" of doing. If you believe that the "saved" can do such a thing then what did the cross do, give us a "free sin ticket"?

Romans 8:
4: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5: For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7: Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8: So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10: And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11: But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12: Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13: For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Do you know what "mortify is"?

That which is born of God cannot sin. What has been born of God, the inward man or the flesh? These are not my words but the words of God.

That according to Apostle Paul was not a brother but was "called" a brother, Paul called him exactly what he was and that was a fornicator and said to cast him away from them so that his spirit "could" be saved, not already was. He was not a " saved" man and never was.
1Cr 5:5To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. (why would his spirit need to be saved if it already was?)

1Jo 5:16If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1Jo 5:17All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. (Again, scripture and not my words)

You are right, I believe that which is within the Body (Christ) bringeth forth good fruit, although we do sin, it is not a sin unto death and it is the flesh that even does that, not that which is "born of God" which is inwardly where the mind of Christ is and the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit is.) I would never say that part can sin.

2Cr 5:17Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Again, if the saved can molest their own son, then the cross was of no profit. IMO

 

He also was talking to those who were not "saved" according to the same scriptures you gave.
James 1:
15: Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16: Do not err, my beloved brethren.
17: Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
18: Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
19: Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
20: For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
21: Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls

He was talking to some who were not saved for sure!!

 

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Amy you try to disagree with me and you end up proving my point.

I would agree with your statement. But being a "follower" is not the same thing as being a believer. Being a follower requires action "works." Following has to do with discipleship.

As for no unsaved person claiming to be a Christian, well I would disagree with that. There are folks that are unsaved that claim to be Christians. Sure you don't think everyone that claims to be a Christian is saved do you?

 

Eze 18:27Again, when the wicked [man] turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

 

I still haven't seen anyone take a stab at my question.

Lacy

 

Amy,

You've got to understand J.Jump. In order for him to be right, he has to twist your words and misquote you.

 

You know, this is the biggest problem I see with this whole debate. You and I cannot judge who is following Christ and who is not. I have known some Christians who behaved in a much-less Christlike manner outwardly than other unsaved Mormon friends. If Mother Theresa never believed the gospel then she died damned to the Lake of fire. Only God knows, but outwardly some of the things she did were pretty Christlike. The same could be said for Ghandi.

You keep bringing up the extreme case of the child molester. An unsaved molester might get saved and still be tempted to do his old sin. Habits don't always just fall off at salvation. (Did all of yours?) A mature Christian, who has repeatedly tasted the grace of God and has experienced growth at many levels, might still be tempted to discipline his child in anger. Who will God judge more harshly? Unto whom much is given shall much be required.


Lacy

 

You call "child molesting" a habit?