Will a Christian commit certain sins?

Nowhere in the Bible does it say one is guilty of murder if one is angry. No, it says he that hateth his brother is a murderer.

It says he that is angry without a cause is in danger of judgment, but does not say he is a murderer for being angry. As a matter of fact, Paul said, 'Be ye angry and sin not...'. Was Paul telling us to murder? I think not!

What is living a victorious Christian life? I believe it is overcoming temptation.

Several times in the Word of God we are told to overcome. 'Be not overcome with evil, but overcome evil with good.', 'I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one...I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
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To be victorious is to overcome, not to make excuses for why one sins.

 

It's not a matter of making excuses; it is a matter of being honest.

 

It is an excuse. 'I sin because...'

Regardless, can it be said of one who gives in to temptation that that one is an overcomer?

 

No, there is no 'because.' There is simply the admission, "I sin."

I don't want to, but I do. The Holy Spirit is working on all of us who are Christ's, maturing us. And part of that maturation process is learning to take advantage of the 'out' God always has for us at the moment of temptation. He always has it for us, but we do not always take advantage of it.

We sin. And by the grace of God, those sins are covered by Christ's blood. And gradually we sin less and less as we mature.

There is no excuse for sin, in particular for a Christian! There is no 'because' which works in God's eyes when we are born again. But He is gracious and merciful, and we are growing up in Him.

There will come a time when we don't sin. But that will be after time, and we call it heaven.

 

I can't imagine that it would happen, Amy. But the truth can be stranger than fiction and neither is limited by my imagination.

It is all well and fine to play 'what if' games, but it is a temptation we really should not fall for. God gave us reality and the wisdom to deal with it.

 

Everyone seems to know what I do. Well benz if you commit adultery and murder then speak for yourself and not me. I have never said I don't sin but Christians do not commit sins unto death.

Helen; you also seem to be calling me a liar when there will be no liars in Heaven. I live my life between me and my God. If you are a liar, that is between you and your God, but please don't judge me according to your life.

Here is what you and benz are saying;
1. All God's children who get angry are murderers but still going to Heaven when the Word of God plainly says they are not. (While being indwelt with the Holy Spirit)

2. All God's children who even think someone is pretty are lusting and committing adultery and going to Heaven, when the Word of God says they are not.(While being indwelt with the Holy Spirit)

3. You are saying God's children commit all manner of sin, which includes raping a 6 year girl or boy, it don't seem to matter anymore and are going to Heaven, the word of God says No. (While being indwelt with the Holy Spirit)

4. You are saying that if a child of God breaks in a home and ties up an old couple and rapes the wife in front of the husband and then cuts both their thoats, they still are going to Heaven, even if they die in the act. God's word says No. (While being indwelt with the Holy Spirit)

5. You are saying that it is possible that many of those child molesters in prison are going to Heaven, His Word says No. (While being indwelt with the Holy Spirit)

6. You are saying if you die in the act of molesting a child, raping a 6 year old, murder, adultery, homosexuality etc that you are going to Heaven, His Word says No. (While being indwelt with the Holy Spirit and having the mind of Christ in you)

You and benz believe the Lord's blood is good enough to save you but not good enough to keep you. You both believe the blood of Jesus gives you a "ticket" to Heaven even if you are still a horendeous sinner, child molestor, rapist. You believe The indwelling of the Holy Spirit means absolutely nothing in a Christians life. IMO

If I have misquoted either one of you I apologize now and did not mean to do so. What I have posted is what I get from reading what you have posted, and not just in this thread but the preceeding one also. If you don't believe these things then I would be pleased to know it.

 

You got scripture for this Helen?

 

2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Not only is it a command; it is an inference that we do. As we grow in grace it is a maturing process in which we are prone to sin less and less, as we become more holy. Hopefully that will be the case with most Christians, but it is not always the case. Some do not always grow. The believers at Corinth were a classic example (1Cor.3:1-3)

 

Where does it say "growing in Grace we sin less". Also, you didn't say whether it was a young Christian or old one who died with unconfessed sins, such as adultery would still go to Heaven. Seems to be if He sinned less and less, that he would of "overcome" such sins.
It is no great mystery that we grow in knowledge by the Grace of God.

Also,are Grace and "His Blood" the same thing being we are saved by His Blood, we are saved by Grace?

 

Peter was not saved at this time of his denial of Christ? I disagree, for the Scripture says:

I would say that this verse says something about this, and in fact, actually covers both Peter and Judas here in these verses. What about Peter's announcement at the 'Mount. of tranfiguration', namely, "You are the Christ, the son of the living God!" And Jesus' pronouncement on that? That sure sounds like Peter was saved to me, especially in light of other Scripture!

While I certainly fully agree that the BASIS of salvation is the once and for all time shedding of Jesus' blood on Mt. Moriah, the "modus oprandi" (for lack of a better word, or phrase) is that of faith, and it was and is always so. We are saved when we believe God, just as Abel, Moses, Enoch, Abraham, Lot, and David, to name six (including the Biblical 'saint of saints', Lot, the only man the Bible specifically identifies as one of the Godly), and for us that belief has to center on the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus. While Job knew that his 'goel' - his near kinsman redeemer lived, Adn Abraham saw the Day of Christ, and rejoiced in it, it is going far beyond Scripture to suggest, as some do, that the OT saints fully comprehended the cross! (Job 19:25, Jn. 8:56)

Paul, Peter and John are another matter entirely as are all the other NT writers, for they saw the cross. But to suggest that any and all who came under John 3:16; 3:36, or 6:47. et al, and believed in Jesus, were not saved, is again going too far, considering what Jesus said. "Thy faith has saved you", was twice spoken by Jesus,and that was far before the cross would occur. So was John 6:37-39. It may make good theological fodder, but lousy exegesis of the verses in question!

So sorry, as we say here in the hills of KY, "That dog won't hunt!"

Ed

 

I think Peter was saved also, and probably what HBSMN meant was that Peter did not as of yet, have the "indwelling of the Holy Ghost". HBSMN can speak for himself, and I am sure he will, but the blood had not been shed as of yet, and what Peter had, was his faith in Christ, for He came unto His own, but His own received Him not but as many as did He gave them power to become the sons of God.

As far as all those they keep mentioning back under the Law, I don't think they had the same thing the Christians of today have, or there would of been no need for the shedding of the blood of Christ.

 

A major problem: People proclaim salvation by grace alone, yet live by works alone.

It is not only a major problem, but quite sad.

We are not just saved by grace, but we live daily by grace.

 

I agree, the Grace we live by is what produces the good works.
"My Grace is sufficient to keep thee", and for your temptation, I will make a way for your escape.

Eph 2:10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

Some seem to grade a christians sins, bad, not so bad, but does God???

Were only, the not so bad sins nailed to his cross, or all our sins??

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

 

Rex77:
I can't call you a young man, for I looked and you are older than I am. So I will ask you a question. Maybe you will answer it, and maybe not, but I don't mean to offend.
1. If a man died raping a little 5 year old girl and claimed to have been saved would he go to Heaven and rejoice with the angels?
2. Or would a man who said he was saved but died committing a homosexual act, would he go to Heaven?

As far as sin goes, I only have what the scriptures say.

1Jo 5:16If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

Mat 12:31¶Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men

All manner seems to suggest there is a difference to me, but that is just how I see it.

 

Hello Amy,
I think that one might ask, would a Christian deny the Lord. In my mind that is far more serious then any of the sins that you mentioned, and yet we have a prime example of Peter who did just that. I think that what has happened here is this.;
1Cr 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

It is a dangerous thing to think that we would never do certain sins. All that does is open the door for satan to rush in bring us down. So yes a Christian can commit any of those sins. However what cannot happen is to practice sin.

1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (continually) sin, because he is born of God.

 

Peter still did not have the indwelling Holy Ghost for Jesus had not died as of yet. Now we have the mind of Christ and the Indwelling Holy Spirit within us.

I am not Amy and I am sure she will answer for herself.

I don't understand you saying someone could committ such an act but they just couldn't practice it. Maybe you could help me understand that?

Being you are on here though I would like to ask you the same question I asked Rex.

1. If a man died raping a little 5 year old girl and claimed to have been saved would he go to Heaven and rejoice with the angels?
2. Or would a man who said he was saved but died committing a homosexual act, would he go to Heaven?