Will a Christian commit certain sins?

Sorry Amy, I didn't know you were on right now. I had laid down but got back up for a while.

 

Brother Bob, you are playing what-if games and then asking us to take the place of God and judge your games.

Reality is enough. That is what we are given. And God is the judge.

He knows. And that is enough.

 

This is no game Helen;
To teach others that Christians can still commit the sames acts as the world is wrong. IMO
I feel its my calling to tell them they are a "new creature" kept by the power of God and have the indwelling Holy Ghost and the mind of Christ and as Jesus said " I have chosen you out of the world and you are no longer of the world.

I am not the first one to say that a person in the very act of adultery and claimed to be saved could go to Heaven.
You have come close to denying such a thing could happen but then you stop. If you can live with that fine, but don't teach others that they can molest a 3 year old and if they claim to be saved they still go to Heaven. Not saying you do but that is what is being taught on here.

If all of our sins were nailed to the cross then why do we need an advocate to plead our case if we sin but not a sin unto death? I mean, I know it takes the blood to cover them but seems to me if we as Christians sin but not a sin unto death we still need Jesus to plead our case before God to receive those sins covered also, or else, why the advocate?

No, this is not a game!!

 

I think this thread is working on some and they just don't want to admit it. May God give us all a mind to live as close to God as we can so we can enjoy the glories of Heaven.

 

Bro Bob Quote
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If all of our sins were nailed to the cross then why do we need an advocate to plead our case if we sin but not a sin unto death? I mean, I know it takes the blood to cover them but seems to me if we as Christians sin but not a sin unto death we still need Jesus to plead our case before God to receive those sins covered also, or else, why the advocate?
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I Don't think the death in that verse is eternal death but physical death as eluded to in

1 Cor 5.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

The result of that sin is physicial death. but he is still saved.
And that sin would be near the top of your list.

No one is saying it is ok to sin any kind of sin.

 

Bro Bob Quote
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Mat 12:31¶Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men

All manner seems to suggest there is a difference to me, but that is just how I see it.
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All manner means various sins All which shall be forgiven .

As for blasphemy against the Holy Ghost it can't be committed by a christian or anyone else in this day and age.

 

People can and do still blaspheme the Holy Spirit this day and age.

Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is attributing the Work of God to satan. People are still doing that just as when the scribes and pharisees did in Jesus' day.

That will continue until the rapture. People will call good evil, and evil good.

 

I Don't think the death in that verse is eternal death but physical death as eluded to in

I understand you are giving the scripture of 1 Corth. 5 for beleiving that it is physical death?

I thought this fellow repented and came back and was added back in? I didn't think he died the physical death then?
Guess that scripture won't work for your theory of "sin unto death".

I guess you wouldn't have a problem with blaspheming the Holy Ghost then?

You did not answer the question can a "saved" person rape a 5 year old little girl, of sodomize a 5 year old little boy?

Heb. 10:
26: For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27: But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28: He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30: For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31: It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

I think a better way to state this and a far more Biblically accurate way is to say that God will not allow a temptation to come upon you that you are not strong enough to find His escape route for.

Does that mean Christians can't murder and can't cheat on their spouses and can't do some of the other disgusting things that have been brought up . . . no that's not what that means.

This just boggles my mind to think that people would be teaching others that if they are Christians somehow a portion of their sin nature is gone, but other parts are still in tact.

You have a sin nature. It has been crucified with Christ. If you are walking in the Spirit then it will remain dead and inactive. However if you are walking in the flesh instead of in the Spirit then your sin nature is alive and active and just as capable of anything that it was capable of before.

These backloaded works salvation teachings really sadden me.

 

Well J. Jump;
You say it blows your mind and then you say if you walk in the flesh you are capable of any sin, and that would include raping a 5 year old, just to make it plain. If it were possible then for us to walk in the flesh as you say, then we are subject to the following:

Romans, chapter 8
1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3: For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5: For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7: Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8: So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


Romans :9: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

So, are we Christians or not? Doesn't it mean anything to have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and the Mind of Christ?

Do you know very many Christians who are rapist and homosexuals etc?

Why post it double minded? He said "My Grace is sufficient to keep thee".

Where did the Grace go?

If you have the mind of Christ you will take the escape route.

J. Jump; do you believe in the death penalty for someone who rapes a 5 year old?

 

Bro Bob Quote
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I thought this fellow repented and came back and was added back in? I didn't think he died the physical death then?
Guess that scripture won't work for your theory of "sin unto death".

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Which is my point any sin will be forgiven, he didn't die because he repented.

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I can't speak for others but when I sin the Holy Spirit convicts me,and I confess that sin,straight away.

1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
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1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

This is Gods benchmark for the christian , but we will not attain it till our body is changed,or we die and we get our new body like his.

Hands up those who have attained already. I haven't.

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As for your question.

Let's not try to second guess God on which is the worst sin a brother can commit.

1Co 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

 

A personal question;
1. Do you believe in the death penalty for someone who would rape a 5 year old? If you don't want to commit yourself, then I understand.

Seems to me you got a problem with matching your theory with the following scripture.

Heb. 10:
26: For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

 

The problem I have with Rex's interpretation of 1 John 3:9 is this:

John is writing in present tense, not future.

Whoever is born of God does not (not will not later down the road after they are raptured) commit sin, for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I agree with Amy, there are certain sins God just will not permit His Children to commit. If He allowed them, His Children would be no different from those in the world.

Sure, we sin, but I do not believe God will permit His Children to commit willful, thought out sin. His Spirit is in His Children and as such, they are kept from that hour of temptation.

 

Bro bob quote
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Hands up those who have attained already. I haven't.

I been "borned again" not of a corruptile seed but of an incorruptile. I have the mind of Christ and the indwelling of the Holy Ghost.
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Attained there I meant as sinless perfection here on earth in this body.

So now let's see, now you never sin in your body or mind??????

or

Do you mean your desire is to be like Christ, but sometimes you fail and sin.??

Php 3.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

 

Because that's just not Biblical. There is nothing that says a saved individual is incapable of doing something. There is nothing in Scripture that says a portion of our sin nature has been totally done away with but the portion that doesn't control the "bad" sins is still around.

There's just no support for it. All the statements that are made are "I can't see how" or "I don't believe a Christian can" or "I" this and "I" that. They are all opinion based statements.

You know its sad that Christians have been so underdiscipled that they could do some of the things they do, but it doesn't mean they don't. Instead of hiding our heads in the sand by saying oh I don't think a Christian could do that we should be talking about how we have failed people in the area of discipleship and try to correct the problem.

What we do is we see a problem and instead of finding a Biblical answer we just create one of our own. There is a problem with Christians committing horrible acts of sin, but it is much easier to say ah they just aren't Christians instead of having to point the finger at our own failures.

 

Bro Bob quote
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1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. He has already did that if you are "born again", I don't think He will have to die anymore.
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John is talking to christians who have sinned,and fellowship is broken if we confess our sin fellowship is restored .