Will a Christian ever go to hell?

[Craigbythesea]

think SIMPLE!

I don't know how to do that, but I must agree that you are very good at it .

 

[Craigbythesea]

What is between Calvinism and Arminianism?

Two point, three point, and four point Calvinism/Arminianism.

 

[DeafPosttrib]

Calvinism believes in unconditional salvation, and the perservance of the saints same as 'security salvation', no Christian shall lose salavtion, onced they are chosen and called, already automatically saved forever and ever, no matter how often they will sinned, still go to heaven.

Arminianism believes in conditional salvation. A person could loose salvation, if stopped follow Christ.

Let you know, I am NOT an arminianist. You could label me as arminianist, if you want to, that would fine with me. Not necessary to called myself as arminianist, I just simple understand what the Bible saying, follow it.

Often, Christians & Calvinists accuse on arminianists, that they teaching salvation by base upon good works conflict with Eph. 2:8-9.

There is big misunderstanding for Christians and Calvinists, what arminianists really believe.

I recommend you to read at www.evangelicaloutreach.org this site is an arminianism. I agree with these, these have many good points with verses. Thier intepreting the scripture sound right to me.

I used to believed in security salvation for a long time, because I am baptist. Last year, I left security salvation camp, because there are much conflicts in the Bible with security salvation doctrine. I rather follow what the Bible than what men saying according to Colssians 2:8.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

[DeaconLew]

1.) Do you have any children?
2.) Are your children yours because of what they did or what you did?
3.) Are they absolutly obedient to everything you ask of them?
4.) Do you, in love, punish your children for disobedience?
5.) Are your children please about the punishment they receive?
6.) Are they punished for ever (all eternity)?
7.) At some point are they restored back to your "approval?"

I may be the most ignorant person on this board but one thing I know, being the father of five children, God is going to deal with believers for their TV watching, secular music listening, ungodly cc debt, lack of love toward his word, and for speaking a word against his truth!!!

Christians WAKE UP!!! What does the Devil possibly have to gain by presenting a doctrine that causes you to serve God MORE!?! What profit is it to the Devil if you know where God's word is!?! What profit is it to the Devil if you brought every area of your life under subjection to Jesus!?!

You people who "buck" The book and deny God's truths will answer for it at the JUDGMENT SEAT!!!

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

BELIE'VE, v.t. To credit upon the authority or testimony of another; to be persuaded of the truth of something upon the declaration of another, or upon evidence furnished by reasons, arguments, and deductions of the mind, or by other circumstances, than personal knowledge. When we believe upon the authority of another, we always put confidence in his veracity.

John 11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord...

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. (Where is it "Dr.?")

2Cor 5:8 We are confident, I say, and WILLING rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
9 WHEREFORE we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be ACCEPTED of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord...

Proverbs 23:12 Apply thine heart unto instruction, and thine ears to the words of knowledge.
13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. (how can giving your child a whipping deliver his soul from hell??)

Just keep on adding faith in your works (I know what I said) and you will end up where your daddy will be.

DeaconLew

 

[James_Newman]

preach it brother!

 

[Craigbythesea]

What does the Devil possibly have to gain by presenting a doctrine that causes you to serve God MORE!?

I do NOT serve God more because I believe in the historical, Biblical doctrine of conditional security which teaches eternal damnation for the unfaithful rather than a 1,000 year stay at Disneyland or some other theme park. I serve God more because I love Him.

Teaching an absolutely false doctrine to make our children behave is not only wrong, it is unnecessary.

 

[DeaconLew]

Originally posted by Craigbythesea:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> What does the Devil possibly have to gain by presenting a doctrine that causes you to serve God MORE!?

I do NOT serve God more because I believe in the historical, Biblical doctrine of conditional security which teaches eternal damnation for the unfaithful rather than a 1,000 year stay at Disneyland or some other theme park. I serve God more because I love Him.

Teaching an absolutely false doctrine to make our children behave is not only wrong, it is unnecessary.

</font>[/QUOTE]Well, let's just see...

How much time do you spend watching the Devil's entertainment?
When was the last time you watched a moved (either at the theatre or in your home)?
Did you loose your salvation earlier today when you could have been more merciful and weren't?

If you watch any TV (worldly programing, not the technology) then you do not love the Lord...
Romans 13:14...make not provision for the flesh to fulfill the lusts thereof.. (Don't forget about Peter, went to watch a "TV show" and ended up denying the Lord)

Blessed are the merciful for they shall be called the children of God. Well Craig when you are not mercifl you are not a child. I suppose you blew it! You better hurry and get saved all over again, putting Jesus back on the cross and putting him to an open shame.

If you are looking at your "fruit" to "prove" you are saved, you never have to worry about going to hell in your body, only the lake of fire.

-DeaconLew

 

[DeaconLew]

excuse my misspelled words
-DeaconLew

 

[Craigbythesea]

Originally posted by DeaconLew:
excuse my misspelled words
-DeaconLew

I forgive you.

Oh, by the way, is the doctrine of watching television found in 1 Cor. or 2 Cor.? I am not able to find the word television in my concordance.

 

[Craigbythesea]

If you are looking at your "fruit" to "prove" you are saved, you never have to worry about going to hell in your body, only the lake of fire.

If you are saved, you need not worry about anything.

 

[DeaconLew]

If you are looking at your fruit to prove you are saved, then that proves that you are not.

DeaconLew

 

[DeaconLew]

Originally posted by Craigbythesea:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> If you are looking at your "fruit" to "prove" you are saved, you never have to worry about going to hell in your body, only the lake of fire.

If you are saved, you need not worry about anything.

</font>[/QUOTE]So fornicate all you want, drink as much alcohol as you want, watch all the worldly entertainment you want, enjoy all that this world has to offer. This is your kingdom.

Or you can get saved by the blood of Jesus and then AFTER you are saved, begin living like a Christian.

DeaconLew

 

[Lacy Evans]

Originally posted by Craigbythesea:
If you are saved, you need not worry about anything.

Says you!

KJV 2 Corinthians 5:8-11
8 We are confident, [if we are saved] I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, [Yeah right Craig, no worries?!]we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

lacy

 

[Craigbythesea]

KJV 2 Corinthians 5:8-11
8 We are confident, [if we are saved] I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, [Yeah right Craig, no worries?!]we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Lacy, I see that you have edited the King James Bible. Shame on you! You know better! You have produced the first modern version with my name in it! I would thank you for the honor, but I don’t believe in messing with the Bible.

Paul knew the terror of the Lord and he says here that as a consequence he and others were persuading others [of the truth of the gospel, that they might be saved]. I see in some of your posts that you are confusing the doctrine of Justification with the doctrine of Salvation. Perhaps you would benefit from a further study of soteriology.

 

[Daniel David]

True saints are secured

Christ paid my condemnation

Hell will not see me

 

[Dr. Bob]

Jack Van Impe (whom I knew years back but lost contact with) has good/bad sides. I do not agree with him on many areas.

But I've been told his exposition against the Mansfield sect that teach "the coming 1000 year Kingdom of Christ is a reward for faithful Christians that suffer with Him against sin and the world (2 Timothy 2:12). Christians may be punished at the Judgment Seat of Christ (2 Corfinthians 5:9-11) and miss this 1000 year Kingdom." is obviously needed on the BaptistBoard today!

Christians go to hell. Amazing. I suppose these guys are KJVO too . . .

 

[PowerndBlood]

I got a get out of going to hell free card once, it looked just like a bible tract!

I sure am glad i used it.

 

[James_Newman]

Yeah, Jack Van Impe used to preach against false doctrine, but now I fear for the poor man's soul. He'll call millennial exclusion a 'protestant purgatory' out of one side of his mouth, and kiss the popes ring with the other side.

 

[Craigbythesea]

I suppose these guys are KJVO too . . .

How did you guess!

Dr. Bob,

Those rolling eys are for you. Here are some more:



Now are we friends again?

 

[Dr. Bob]

Protestant Purgatory? That leaves being "bad doctrine" and moves into the "rank heresy" column. Don't think even the ME Mansfield sect truly believe that!

But if they are KJVO that means they hold the apocrypha (hey, it was in the 1611 and many subsequent revisions) and "it is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins."