Will Gd regenerate Those Who Never heard Gospel/Placed faith In Jesus?

[webdog]

Yes, I would agree with you. I overstated the case. Everyone has the light of nature and of conscience. And yet, the light that all men have is not spoken of in John 1:9. But it is mentioned in Romans 1 and elsewhere.

You also forgot the light of eternity (Ecc. 3:11) and the very location geographically and within time to seek Him and "perhaps" find Him although He is not far from each one of us (Acts 17)

 

[Iconoclast]

Iconoclast...

Regarding all men recieving Light, as The scripturs clearly promote. you said....




What a ridiculous thing to say.


To each His own I guess...

God bless.

20Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.

where is their light aic

or how about these people aic?

1Not unto us, O LORD, not unto us, but unto thy name give glory, for thy mercy, and for thy truth's sake.

2Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is now their God?

3But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.

4Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.

5They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:

6They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:

7They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.

8They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.

 

[Alive in Christ]

To those who disagree regarding the truth that God gives "light" (spiritual revelation that can be heeded or denied) to those who never heard the gosple, (John 1:9) you need to somehow account for this...

Rev 5:7:

And they sang a new song: "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nations.

And...

Rev 7:9

After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

History testifies that there have been scores and scores of peoples and tonges and and tribes and languages that existed and died out, with NONE of those tribes/peoples EVER hearing the gosple of Jesus Christ.

And yet people are in heaven from those peoples/tribes.

The scripture does not say MOST tribes and nations. No.

Every tribe...every nation...every language...every tounge

How did they get there?

And the scripture speaks of MULTITUDES of these people. Many of them.

So many that you couldnt ealisly count them.

SOMEHOW they got there. Its undeniable.

Again...in heaven we find...

After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

How did all those who never heard the gosple get there?

Its simple...

Christ....

"gives Light to every man who comes into the world"

Not just the *lucky* ones who hear the gosple before they die.

God TRULY is no respecter of persons.

What an awesome and wonderfull God we serve!

AiC

 

[convicted1]

Will God regenerate His elect, chosen before foundation of World, even IF they never heard the Gospel/placed faith in Christ?

If you hold that he indeed does that today

Why even necessity to Evangelize?

Rev. 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Show me where the preacher is in this little two verse passage? When God comes and shows a sinner where he stands in His sight, as a lost individual, that IS THE GOSPEL being presented to him/her right there!!

Rom. 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

When God reveals to a lost individual just how lost they really are, that is THE GOSPEL being presented to them right there!!

Now, right here is why ANYONE who dies lost, actually dies lost:

Rom. 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

[/B]25[/B] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.


Men are held accountable for what they actually know, and not what they do not know. Therefore, when God shows them who He is, and they reject Him, they are now without excuse, per verse 20. That is why someone/anyone dies lost.

i am I AM's!!

Willis

 

[kyredneck]

To those who disagree regarding the truth that God gives "light" (spiritual revelation that can be heeded or denied) to those who never heard the gosple, (John 1:9) you need to somehow account for this...Rev 5:7...And...Rev 7:9

Heheh, AIC, I know you're not gonna like this, but you're sounding a whooooole lot like an Old Hardshell Baptist now, with the exception that you throw the free will of man into the mix.

History testifies that there have been scores and scores of peoples and tonges and and tribes and languages that existed and died out, with NONE of those tribes/peoples EVER hearing the gosple of Jesus Christ.

And yet people are in heaven from those peoples/tribes.

The scripture does not say MOST tribes and nations. No.

Every tribe...every nation...every language...every tounge

How did they get there?

Christ told Nicodemus:

.....It behoveth you to be born from above Jn 3:7 YLT

This was not a 'new' requirement, Christ was not implementing something 'new' here, He was revealing a mystery from of old, something that had always been, OT & NT.

The Psalmist tells of these Gentiles you refer to:

1 By sons of Korah. -- A Psalm, a song. His foundation is in holy mountains.
2 Jehovah is loving the gates of Zion Above all the tabernacles of Jacob.
3 Honourable things are spoken in Thee, O city of God. Selah.
4 I mention Rahab and Babel to those knowing Me, Lo, Philistia, and Tyre, with Cush! This one was born there.
5 And of Zion it is said: Each one was born in her, And He, the Most High, doth establish her.
6 Jehovah doth recount in the describing of the peoples, `This one was born there.` Selah.
7 Singers also as players on instruments, All my fountains are in Thee! Ps 87 YLT

Paul sheds some light on this 'heavenly Zion' here:

26 and the Jerusalem above is the free-woman, which is mother of us all,
27 for it hath been written, `Rejoice, O barren, who art not bearing; break forth and cry, thou who art not travailing, because many are the children of the desolate -- more than of her having the husband.` Gal 4 YLT

Those Gentiles outside of the Law Covenant whose mother was the Jerusalem which is above (spiritual Israel) are described as 'children of the desolate', and there were MORE of them than of her that had the husband (physical Israel). The true children of Zion had not a home or a husband until the visible Church of Christ came into existence.

....and Paul gives more light on those 'born from above' here:

13 for not the hearers of the law are righteous before God, but the doers of the law shall be declared righteous: --
14 For, when nations that have not a law, by nature may do the things of the law, these not having a law -- to themselves are a law;
15 who do shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also witnessing with them, and between one another the thoughts accusing or else defending,
28 For he is not a Jew who is so outwardly, neither is circumcision that which is outward in flesh;
29 but a Jew is he who is so inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart, in spirit, not in letter, of which the praise is not of men, but of God. Ro 2 YLT

[the above passages were what prompted the question in the next verse, 'What advantage then hath the Jew? or what is the profit of circumcision?' Ro 3:1]

You refer to “ those who never heard the gospel”; well here Paul is referring to those who had not the law and had not heard the law, but they are described as doers of the law because they had the law written in their hearts. And get this, it's extremely important (most 'by man's personal faith alone' folks miss the significance of this passage):

for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the DOERS of the law shall be justified: Ro 2:13

When we stand before the tribunal of the Christ, we will all be judged for the things DONE through the body:

for all of us it behoveth to be manifested before the tribunal of the Christ, that each one may receive the things done through the body, in reference to the things that he did, whether good or evil; 2 Cor 5:10 YLT

The bottom line there is that the things done through the body are indicative of the condition of the heart. Blessed is the man to whom God does not impute sin.

but he who is doing the truth doth come to the light, that his works may be manifested, that in God they are having been wrought.` Jn 3:21 YLT

Again, the 'by man's personal faith alone' folks totally miss the significance of the above passage. Those that come to the light have already been 'DOING the truth'. Why? How? Because God has already wrought within their hearts. Those coming to the light are the children of the Jerusalem that is above.

And the scripture speaks of MULTITUDES of these people. Many of them.

So many that you couldnt ealisly count them.

SOMEHOW they got there. Its undeniable.

Again...in heaven we find...

How did all those who never heard the gosple get there?

the Spirit where he willeth doth blow, and his voice thou dost hear, but thou hast not known whence he cometh, and whither he goeth; thus is every one who hath been born of the Spirit.` Jn 3:8 YLT

Its simple...

Christ....

Amen and Amen! By Christ alone!:

so also it hath been written, `The first man Adam became a living creature,` the last Adam is for a life-giving spirit, 1 Cor 15:45 YLT

For there is one God, one mediator also between God and men, himself man, Christ Jesus, 1 Tim 2:5

Not just the *lucky* ones who hear the gosple before they die.

God TRULY is no respecter of persons.

What an awesome and wonderfull God we serve!

AiC

Are you sure you haven't got any Old Hardshell Baptist in you?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I thought Hard Shellers are Calvinistic!

 

[DHK]

Were there Gentiles of the OT era, who never had the law and who had never heard the law, that had the law written in their hearts?

This is a red herring, has nothing to do with salvation. It was a rebuke to the Jews about their sinful lifestyle in this wicked world.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Kyredneck...

Heheh, AIC, I know you're not gonna like this, but you're sounding a whooooole lot like an Old Hardshell Baptist now, with the exception that you throw the free will of man into the mix.

I might like it just fine, as I dont know anything about the Old Hardshell Baptists! :wavey::thumbs:

Maybe I'll do some googling :type: and see what they are all about!

Aic

 

[savedbymercy]

jf:

but they still must/will place personal faith in jesus christ after hearing the Gospel message!

For what Purpose ?