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Will Obama Listen to Pelosi

SpiritualMadMan

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exscentric said:
"Will Obama Listen to Pelosi" From another slant - Will he have a choice to not listen to that woman? :laugh:

NO!

Indeed, I firmly believe Obama will be the most exploited, used and abused President ever...

I expect that all of his staff and cabinet positions will be dictated by the demoncratic power elite...

Mike Sr.

Note: the opposite party is repugnantcan :)
 

targus

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LeBuick said:
It will bring a lot of revenue to AK, a place with no taxes and the people get a check from the oil companies.

And you think a State with no taxes and sufficient revenues to send it's citizens a check is a bad thing?

Didn't you support Obama because he was promising to cut taxes for those who already pay no taxes by sending them a check?
 

LeBuick

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targus said:
And you think a State with no taxes and sufficient revenues to send it's citizens a check is a bad thing?

Didn't you support Obama because he was promising to cut taxes for those who already pay no taxes by sending them a check?

Two things, your first statement says it's ok for a state to spread the wealth.

The people who pay no taxes getting a check is a consequence of my support for Obama and not the reason I support him. what I really like, he was honest enough to say he was spreading the wealth. As opposed to others who called him a Socialist and Marxist for doing the same thing their doing.
 

just-want-peace

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rbell said:
You oughta get some counseling for your Palin issues. It's not healthy to hate someone that much.
Don't be too hard on LB; he's just echoing the D talking points!:laugh:

The Ds are scared silly about 2010 mid-terms already, (they know the Ds cannot/will not keep all those rosy promises) and they are just trying to pave the way to make sure Palin is a "nobody" with "no influence" by then.

Why else keep hammering the election loser???????? H-m-m-m-m-m-m-m???:BangHead::BangHead::BangHead:
 

targus

New Member
LeBuick said:
Two things, your first statement says it's ok for a state to spread the wealth.

Which of the two questions that I asked are you refering to as a statement?

The people who pay no taxes getting a check is a consequence of my support for Obama and not the reason I support him.

Why, pray tell, did you support him?

what I really like, he was honest enough to say he was spreading the wealth. As opposed to others who called him a Socialist and Marxist for doing the same thing their doing.

The monies sent to the citizens of Alaska were royalties paid to the State of Alaska for the oil that the oil companies were extracting from the ground in Alaska. It is proper and not at all Socialist or Marxist to in turn distribute those royalties to the citizens of the State which owns the lands. Or is it your belief that States hold large tracts of land for their own enrichment and not in trust for the people?
 

LeBuick

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targus said:
The monies sent to the citizens of Alaska were royalties paid to the State of Alaska for the oil that the oil companies were extracting from the ground in Alaska. It is proper and not at all Socialist or Marxist to in turn distribute those royalties to the citizens of the State which owns the lands. Or is it your belief that States hold large tracts of land for their own enrichment and not in trust for the people?

So you saying there is no problem taking from the rich bog oil companies and giving to the citizens. Isn't that what Obama said? He wanted to tax companies like Exon more? Also, you know we paid AK taxes with each gallon we bought at the pump don't you? You don't think big oil ate that cost, the passed it on to us. So in the end, the lower 48 paid the taxes for the AK's.
 

targus

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LeBuick said:
So you saying there is no problem taking from the rich bog oil companies and giving to the citizens.

Try to keep up. No one is taking from the oil companies. The oil companies are buying the oil which they are taking out of the ground. The money is then going to the citizens of the State which holds the land in trust for those citizens.


Isn't that what Obama said? He wanted to tax companies like Exon more?

No, Obama said that he wants to tax people making over $250,000 - not just companies. Further a tax is not payment for something received. There is a difference whether you care to see or admit it yourself.


Also, you know we paid AK taxes with each gallon we bought at the pump don't you?

How does that work? In Michigan the taxes which I pay at the pump go the Federal coffers and to the State of Michigan. Alaska does not have the authority to tax me for products purchased in Michigan.


You don't think big oil ate that cost, the passed it on to us. So in the end, the lower 48 paid the taxes for the AK's.

Of course all companies include the cost of material purchased in the price when sold - along with all other direct and indirect costs - unless they want to sell at a loss.

You seem to be dangerously close to the realization that Obama's tax increases on the rich are ultimately going to cost the not so rich too.
 

hillclimber1

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LeBuick said:
Actually, if you read the exit polls you will see the middle is not as eager to "drill, drill, drill" as the right would want to believe. Unlimited drilling in every nook and cranny is something only supported by the far, far right. We all want to end our dependence on foreign oil but we need to do it responsibly as good stewards of the dominion given us by our Creator. We can't destroy the earth in the process.

By the way, with the way Palin attacked Obama and the democrats, I wonder how she will do getting her pipeline funded?


Unlimited drilling in every nook and cranny, is a slogan by leftist propaganda mongers. Not responsible people seeking energy independence.

No one in this day believes there are many risks associated with drilling, except dry holes....We aren't destroying dear earth. Couldn't even if it was our goal..
 

LeBuick

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hillclimber1 said:
Unlimited drilling in every nook and cranny, is a slogan by leftist propaganda mongers. Not responsible people seeking energy independence.

No one in this day believes there are many risks associated with drilling, except dry holes....We aren't destroying dear earth. Couldn't even if it was our goal..

I don't know buddy, hard to mistake "DRILL BABY DRILL"... But if they do plan to protect the environment then I apologize. It just didn't sound like it.
 

Baptist in Richmond

Active Member
I wouldn't have a problem with drilling, as long as it is nationalized and is done by the government. We can then use the proceeds to pay down the national debt, as well as the TRILLIONS that the current POTUS has spent during his 8 years in office.

Regards,
BiR
 

windcatcher

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LeBuick said:
So you saying there is no problem taking from the rich bog oil companies and giving to the citizens. Isn't that what Obama said? He wanted to tax companies like Exon more? Also, you know we paid AK taxes with each gallon we bought at the pump don't you? You don't think big oil ate that cost, the passed it on to us. So in the end, the lower 48 paid the taxes for the AK's.
Once again.....

sloooooooooooooooooooooooowly:

The resources belong to the people in Alaska.
For example.....
If I own land...... and I do....
If an oil company decides to drill..... and some have... less than 20 miles north of me.
But if my land were near enough by so that the oil pumped out of the ground also flowed under my land.....
I would be entitled to royalties. And my county would or could do as it has.... tax the oil to offset expenses of local government and infrastructure which both supports the industry and is depreciated by wear..... such as roads for heavier equipment where heavy truck don't usually run in a local country area... and additional monitoring to ensure all regulations and policies are enforced which assure the safe removal of oil from the earth without contamination of the water table or the wetlands.... or the farm land.

In the case of Alaska, the land is large, people are clustered within communities: Much of what is eaten and used for building is imported/transported with increased distance, expense, and time. The winters are long and extreme in cold requiring an expensive outlay for energy by the people......Energy which is purchased at competitive prices as the rest of the states with the added cost of transportation . The state has a surplus of royalties from the resources in the ground which is pumped out by the oil companies for their profit: To benefit the citizens of Alaska, the royalties are returned to them which brings their austerity into balance. It neither rewards the people for their choosing to live there but neither does it work to increase their burden or expenses... make that taxes.... to make their numbers more difficult to maintain.

Royalties returned to the people is not redistribution of the wealth... It is a return on resources which belong to them but which have no value without the industry which harvested it from the earth and refines it so it is consumable.



Taking tax dollars from people to give back to a few people through programs.... is a horse of a different color.....no pun intended. Royalties and taxes are not the same.

The former is going to be paid by oil companies, and other mineral interest no matter what. It is trading something of value which is possessed by person(s)for something of value. It is like a writer with intellectual property.... but he makes nothing on it without the industry which publishes and markets his work. When it is sold, it is taxed, and profits, and overheads of marketing and printing paid.... but the author deserves a return (royalties) for his labor and composition so that his work is shared and others profit from his sharing: Otherwise he may keep his manuscripts, but noone else profits from it while it remains solely in his possession...sight unseen.
 

LeBuick

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Windcatcher, you're talking about the dividend check. I'm talking about the higher taxes the oil company pays so that Alaskan's don't have to pay taxes.
 
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