Will the Board Bushies ever admit Iraq is a mess?

[LadyEagle]

Well, JGrubbs, I agree with you & I was born in 1949. We have no generation gap.

I am voting for Michael Peroutka. But I taught my (not quite 2-year-old) grandson this:

Who ya gonna vote for? (we ask)

And he says: Booosh.

Granny's turning him into a PJ (political junkie) at age 1-1/2.

(Good thing all the inlaws & outlaws are Republicans, LOL.)

 

[Pennsylvania Jim]

Originally posted by Rooster:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> I have no knowledge of evidence that Hussein had intentions of attacking the USA.

Well , DUH... DO you think Sadam would run a television ad to warn us? Get real, the attacks on America that we Might recieve, are not as a result of this war, they were planning attacks on the United States long before we Bombed Islam, what did we do to deserve the 9-11 attack, were we at war then? In fact we most likely have detoured a few attacks as a direct result of this war. </font>[/QUOTE]So your evidence that Hussein wanted to attack us amounts to the fact that he didn't havea TV ad saying so?

Think about it. STOP!!! Think about it: Hussein wanted to rule his country (and maybe or maybe not a few neighboring countries) with an iron fist. If he were to attack the US, it would insure him nothing but immediate destruction. He is an evil man, but I don't think that stupid.

As to the rest of your response, it was neither Hussein nor Iraq who attacked us. It was radical Moslems...the same kind who hated Hussein, who ran a secular government and kept them under control.

Think...please, think.

 

[Pennsylvania Jim]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
...Isolationism is when the USA does not want to get involved in foreign wars and does not want to give allies and friends anything...

As opposed to wanting to get involved in foreign wars, and giving tax money to other countries?

Well, if that's[/] your definition, I'm all for it.


Let's try something. I'll redefine "theft", for my own purposes, as wanting to get a good nights' sleep. Then, I'll say "Church Mouse is a thief". For those who don't think critically, you're reputation is tarnished. Those who press me for my ridiculous definition will realize that I'm simply making a dishonest attempt to smear you.

Kinda like you do with you "isolationist" stuff.

 

[church mouse guy]

All you who think that isolationism can't mean what you yourselves think, should examine the period before World War II when Spain raged with Civil War with one side aided by nazis and the other side aided by communists, when Hitler began to grab land and build up his army, when Italy marched into Ethiopia with modern weapons against bows and arrows, and when Russia fought with Finland, and when Japan marched into China and throughout the Pacific.

American public opinion did not want to get involved. All arm sales were cash and carry.

Then look at the CP plank. They want to cut off not only gifts of arms but also gifts of food and water and medicine and clothing to people like those hit by the hurricanes in the Carribean. They also want arm sales to be cash and carry. And they do not want American troops fighting in wars overseas.

There is no attempt to smear. But all of you who say that issolation has a bad stink to it are correct. One just cannot see the difference between Peroutka's plank and the 1930s isolation that was sobered only by the expansion of Germany and Japan and Italy. England ran out of cash and ran out of means to carry home arm sales. If FDR had waited any longer, England would have run out of soldiers. After Pearl Harbor, December 7, 1941, "a day that will live in infamy," all Americans united in rejecting what was left of isolationist thinking. The older generation may have passed from sight, but almost no Americans disagree with their ending isolation for all time and leading America into the role of the world's only super-power. Now we have to focus that power against the Islamofascist terrorists in order to protect civilization from the new Huns.

We can fight the terrorists on Satan's territory of ancient Babylon or we can return home and wait for the mushroom cloud over the USA and then begin the fight in the 50 states in our schools and theatres and railway stations like in Europe or in our sidewalk cafes and hotels like in Israel.

Peroutka is wrong. Peroutka should be rejected and his party disbanded.

Bush is correct! This is war, total war!

The slogan of World War II for homeland people faced with shortages was:

Use it up; make it do; or do without.

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
1) but almost no Americans disagree with their ending isolation for all time and leading America into the role of the world's only super-power.

2)The slogan of World War II for homeland people faced with shortages was:

Use it up; make it do; or do without.

1) Yeah, I guess that's why Americans are so well read on foreign affairs.

2) Yeah, I really see where President Bush is calling on the American people to sacrifice for the war effort with his tax cuts.

 

[Pennsylvania Jim]

CMG,

Sending our tax money to Germany, Italy, and Spain in the '30's would have put it into the hands of the guys who were the problem, wouldn't it?

 

[LadyEagle]

09-30-2004
A Sergeant Speaks The Hard Truth
Why We Cannot Win

by Sgt. Al Lorentz

Before I begin, let me state that I am a soldier currently deployed in Iraq, I am not an armchair quarterback. Nor am I some politically idealistic and naïve young soldier, I am an old and seasoned Non-Commissioned Officer with nearly 20 years under my belt. Additionally, I am not just a soldier with a muds-eye view of the war, I am in Civil Affairs and as such, it is my job to be aware of all the events occurring in this country and specifically in my region.

I have come to the conclusion that we cannot win here for a number of reasons. Ideology and idealism will never trump history and reality.

When we were preparing to deploy, I told my young soldiers to beware of the "political solution." Just when you think you have the situation on the ground in hand, someone will come along with a political directive that throws you off the tracks.


[snip]

Because the current administration is more concerned with its image than it is with reality, it prefers symbolism to substance: soldiers are dying here and being maimed and crippled for life. It is tragic, indeed criminal that our elected public servants would so willingly sacrifice our nation's prestige and honor as well as the blood and treasure to pursue an agenda that is ahistoric and un-Constitutional.

It is all the more ironic that this un-Constitutional mission is being performed by citizen soldiers such as myself who swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, the same oath that the commander in chief himself has sworn.

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Al Lorentz is former state chairman of the Constitution Party of Texas and is a reservist currently serving with the US Army in Iraq.

From the Hack's website - SOLDIERS FOR THE TRUTH

Before some of you guys attack the messenger, go read his long letter. It's easy to sit here in the comfort of your home and defend an administration's failed policies and "negotiations" (like in Fallujah), when you aren't the one taking the shrapnel.

 

[KenH]

You know, LE, the fact that this man is associated with the CP will discredit his opinion in the minds of many in this forum.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Does anybody know why after 59 years
we still occupy Germany?
Does anybody know why after 59 years
we still occupy Japan?
When are we going to bring these troops
home?

Can anybody spell AIR BASE(s) close to
the enemy?

 

[Pennsylvania Jim]

Originally posted by Pennsylvania Jim:
CMG,

Sending our tax money to Germany, Italy, and Spain in the '30's would have put it into the hands of the guys who were the problem, wouldn't it?

 

[church mouse guy]

Contrary to your slur against the American people, the USA never sided with Germany and Italy. As for Spain, we stayed out of that civil war, which, as you know, was a proxy war between communism and nazism.

There was a policy of not selling arms to belligerents. FDR finally realized that such a policy hurt England. So then we had a policy of cash and carry. That, too, hurt England. Finally, Wilkie and FDR realized that it was in our national interest to help stop Germany, Italy, and Japan before they controlled everything except North America, Central America, and South America.

The Constitution Party is immoral on the point of refusing to extend any foreign aid.