Will There Be a Future Literal 1000-Year Reign of Christ on the Earth?

[kyredneck]

You do know that there are other isms besides Dispensationalism and Preterism? Iconoclast, as far as I know, would not call himself Preterist. I am the only one in this thread, I think, who is Preterist.

IMO, Amil, Post Trib, Preterism have more in common than not.

 

[Iconoclast]

I have the "ace of trumps" answer-THEY'RE NOT FOUND IN HISTORY!

That's why preterism is poppycock.

Babylon was not destroyed? Edom?
You have not touched.the language as asked. You run away from historic reality as you have no.biblical answer.
You are free to do so but now have no credibility at all.

 

[Iconoclast]

You do know that there are other isms besides Dispensationalism and Preterism? Iconoclast, as far as I know, would not call himself Preterist. I am the only one in this thread, I think, who is Preterist.

Correct...I am a partial preterist.

 

[asterisktom]

IMO, Amil, Post Trib, Preterism have more in common than not.

Yes, I agree.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

Another passage that some say shows that premillennialism is wrong is the following in Hebrews:

Heb. 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

How does this passage supposedly show that there will not be a future literal 1000-year millennial reign of Christ?

 

[Yeshua1]

sure, but WHY choose you, or me? WHY? There is zero NT evidence that answers this. In the OT, God tells us the WHY.

The answer is for God to be glorified!

 

[Yeshua1]

Correct...I am a partial preterist.

So revelation fulfilled 70 AD?

 

[robycop3]

You do know that there are other isms besides Dispensationalism and Preterism? Iconoclast, as far as I know, would not call himself Preterist. I am the only one in this thread, I think, who is Preterist.

Well, he seems to follow some pret doctrines. And all of them are poppycock.

 

[robycop3]

Babylon was not destroyed? Edom?
You have not touched.the language as asked. You run away from historic reality as you have no.biblical answer.
You are free to do so but now have no credibility at all.

Yes, they were destroyed, but there were no cosmic catastrophes. There hasn't been one sinct the time of Hezekiah in the 700s BC. (Before that, it was the "plagues of Egypt", which hit much of the whole earth.)

 

[Iconoclast]

Yes, they were destroyed, but there were no cosmic catastrophes. There hasn't been one sinct the time of Hezekiah in the 700s BC. (Before that, it was the "plagues of Egypt", which hit much of the whole earth.)

okay that is progress...

you do not have To answer if you don't want to, is a possible that if you could see there was no cosmic catastrophes is it possible of the language of the Sun moon and stars represent something in the literal realm like a government power being taken down and replaced.

 

[Dave G]

According to this text, God has raised us up together and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. Has God literally already done both of these things for every believer?

I take this to mean spiritually ( "positionally" ).
It cannot be literal, as there are still believers inhabiting their literal bodies right now and there are others yet to be called.

No finite human can be in more than one place at the same time. Either we are presently alive on the earth or we are presently sitting together in heavenly places in Christ?

I agree.

Those who reject premillennial views cannot have it both ways.

I've found that people who disagree on what the Bible states,
often do so because they are persuaded that it doesn't really mean what it says... because something else someplace else says something "contradictory";

This causes them to throw out the passages ( one set or the other ) as not really meaning what they say.
In other words...
I've found that when there is a seeming contradiction on anything that is written in His word, many people who profess Christ go with what their denomination says or what a popular teacher says.

Are we literally sitting right now in heavenly places or are we not?

No, we're sitting behind our keyboards and monitors ( and some are on phones ) discussing things on an internet forum.

 

[Dave G]

Furthermore, certain people hold that humans in their physical bodies cannot be in heaven.

I agree.

So, either we are in our physical bodies on earth right now or we are in heaven in some non-physical body right now. Both cannot be true at the same time.

Again I agree.

For example, Jesus Christ is not ruling the earth right now, because He is not physically here.
Neither are we in Heaven with Him because that comes later...either at our death or at the last trump.

Satan is currently the god of this world, just as he was in the first century.
When the Lord comes again at the last trump, He will have Satan bound and cast into the bottomless pit for 1,000 years just as Revelation 20 states.

The Lord Jesus will then set up His throne at Jerusalem just as Zechariah 14 and Isaiah 2 state, as well as Micah 4.
Simply put, the prophecies of His first coming were all fulfilled literally, and so will the prophecies of His second coming be.

 

[AustinC]

I agree.

Again I agree.

For example, Jesus Christ is not ruling the earth right now, because He is not physically here.
Neither are we in Heaven with Him because that comes later...either at our death or at the last trump.

Satan is currently the god of this world, just as he was in the first century.
When the Lord comes again at the last trump, He will have Satan bound and cast into the bottomless pit for 1,000 years just as Revelation 20 states.

The Lord Jesus will then set up His throne at Jerusalem just as Zechariah 14 and Isaiah 2 state, as well as Micah 4.
Simply put, the prophecies of His first coming were all fulfilled literally, and so will the prophecies of His second coming be.

I was hoping Donald was the last Trump...

 

[Dave G]

I was hoping Donald was the last Trump...

" In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." ( 1 Corinthians 15:52 ).

 

[AustinC]

" In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." ( 1 Corinthians 15:52 ).

I just knew He was coming soon!!!

 

[Dave G]

Explain the Isa.13 and Isa34 passages for us

Isaiah 13 is a double prophecy about both the fall of Babylon as a city ( Daniel 5 ), and the fall of "Babylon" as both a city and a world system ( Revelation 18 to Revelation 19 ).
It is continued in Isaiah 14 and goes to Isaiah 20.

Isaiah 34, same as above and is continued in Isaiah 35.

 

[Dave G]

The Gospel cannot go forth unless the "strong man" is first bound.

Matthew 12:28-29.

Luke 10:17-20

Are these not speaking of His second coming, when Satan shall be bound 1,000 years, and his "house" spoiled?

 

[Dave G]

you ever wonder why God chose YOU, and not say a thousand in your town?

Answering strictly for myself, I wonder about that quite often, my friend.

WHAT is the NT basis for this "election to salvation"?

Scripture has that answer and always has had it:

" Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:
4 according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 to the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9 having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 that in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:
11 in whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 that we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ." ( Ephesians 1:3-12 ).

 

[Dave G]

Are you more "worthy" than your friend who may never get saved?

If I may be so bold...
Why do you keep asking this, since every believer innately knows that no one is worthy?

Salvation is of the Lord, SBG.
No one is worthy of it.

God is not a respecter of persons when it comes to who He saves.

This whole teaching is so "elitest", which is what makes it so very much unBiblical.

" Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? [It is] God that justifieth." ( Romans 8:33 ).
If anyone is "elite", it's because of God.

Therefore the charge of "elitism" falls flat on its face, doesn't it?

God chose the base things of this world, Paul tells us in 1 Cor. 1:28.

Amen.
God has chosen the poor of this world rich in faith ( James 2:5 ).

 

[Iconoclast]

Isaiah 13 is a double prophecy about both the fall of Babylon as a city ( Daniel 5 e), and the fall of "Babylon" as both a city and a world system ( Revelation 18 to Revelation 19 ).
It is continued in Isaiah 14 and goes to Isaiah 20.

Isaiah 34, same as above and is continued in Isaiah 35.

what do you believe is being described by the language of sun moon and stars, and the heavens rolling up like a scroll?