Will you accept the verdict in the Chauven trial?

[Salty]

I doubt they will accept anything but a 1st degree murder with life imprisonment, but that's not what this thread is discussing.

You do know the definition First degree murder?

 

[Reformed1689]

Nope.

He is on trial because, as a law enforcement agent, he performed an unsanctioned maneuver where he kept a person in distress down on the ground by applying force with his knee to the man's neck. He continued this despite the man saying he couldn't breathe and despite his fellow officers inquiry whether he should stop.
The entire incident is video recorded for the jury to see and hear. There are varying degrees of murder and 3rd degree murder, in Minnesota, is unintentional. The defense is tasked with showing there is reasonable doubt.
Chauvin is not on trial for being a cop. He is on trial for assisting the death of George Floyd. It does not matter that Floyd had a significant criminal past. It does not matter that Floyd passed a fake $20 bill. The charge is that Chauvin assisted the death of George Floyd.

Again I ask:

Did you all fight for the acquittal of Muhammad Noor when he was sentenced to 12.5 years jail time for the death of Justine Rudzcznyk?

Somali-American Police Officer Sentenced to 12.5 Years in Death of Minneapolis Woman (Published 2019)

Let me be very forthright. Did you support this black muslim cop or do you only support white cops who get charged with murder?

Racism in the body of Christ needs to stop.

And he didn't cause Floyd to die. Read the autopsy.

 

[Reformed1689]

I notice you never addressed my comment.

What did I not address?

 

[Salty]

Nope.

He is on trial because, as a law enforcement agent, he performed an unsanctioned maneuver where he kept a person in distress down on the ground by applying force with his knee to the man's neck..

Even if an expert says it is an acceptable action?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ficers-defense-is-set-begin-its-presentation/

 

[canadyjd]

And he didn't cause Floyd to die. Read the autopsy.

Three medical experts, including the coroner, testified the cause of death was low blood oxygen substantially caused by the prolonged restraint with the knee on the neck.

peace to you

 

[Yeshua1]

Three medical experts, including the coroner, testified the cause of death was low blood oxygen substantially caused by the prolonged restraint with the knee on the neck.

peace to you

Would he have died if not drugged out though?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

It seems you need to create this narrative about me. Is that simply because I find no cause to root for the acquittal of Mr Chauvin? …

The upshot here is that your posts are attempting to create a false narrative. They present significant ignorance of the situation, the trial, simple legal matters generally, plus all manner of false accusations, blatant bias, red herrings, etc.

One favorite tidbit was the erroneous statement that the jurors were sequestered. No they were not. The judge plans to order sequestration after closing arguments have been made—Monday. Stay tuned.

…I will accept the decision of the jury. Thankfully they are sequestered and aren't getting the emotionally charged information regarding the latest shooting up in the Twin Cities.

 

[AustinC]

I am stating that all cops are being targeted and tainted by the witchhunt being carried on by the media and liberals!

Not true.

 

[AustinC]

You do know the definition First degree murder?

609.185 MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE.

(a) Whoever does any of the following is guilty of murder in the first degree and shall be sentenced to imprisonment for life:

(1) causes the death of a human being with premeditation and with intent to effect the death of the person or of another;

(2) causes the death of a human being while committing or attempting to commit criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence, either upon or affecting the person or another;

(3) causes the death of a human being with intent to effect the death of the person or another, while committing or attempting to commit burglary, aggravated robbery, kidnapping, arson in the first or second degree, a drive-by shooting, tampering with a witness in the first degree, escape from custody, or any felony violation of chapter 152 involving the unlawful sale of a controlled substance;

(4) causes the death of a peace officer, prosecuting attorney, judge, or a guard employed at a Minnesota state or local correctional facility, with intent to effect the death of that person or another, while the person is engaged in the performance of official duties;

(5) causes the death of a minor while committing child abuse, when the perpetrator has engaged in a past pattern of child abuse upon a child and the death occurs under circumstances manifesting an extreme indifference to human life;

(6) causes the death of a human being while committing domestic abuse, when the perpetrator has engaged in a past pattern of domestic abuse upon the victim or upon another family or household member and the death occurs under circumstances manifesting an extreme indifference to human life; or

(7) causes the death of a human being while committing, conspiring to commit, or attempting to commit a felony crime to further terrorism and the death occurs under circumstances manifesting an extreme indifference to human life.

(b) For the purposes of paragraph (a), clause (4), "prosecuting attorney" has the meaning given in section 609.221, subdivision 2, paragraph (c), clause (4).

(c) For the purposes of paragraph (a), clause (4), "judge" has the meaning given in section 609.221, subdivision 2, paragraph (c), clause (5).

(d) For purposes of paragraph (a), clause (5), "child abuse" means an act committed against a minor victim that constitutes a violation of the following laws of this state or any similar laws of the United States or any other state: section 609.221; 609.222; 609.223; 609.224; 609.2242; 609.342; 609.343; 609.344; 609.345; 609.377; 609.378; or 609.713.

(e) For purposes of paragraph (a), clause (6), "domestic abuse" means an act that:

(1) constitutes a violation of section 609.221, 609.222, 609.223, 609.224, 609.2242, 609.342, 609.343, 609.344, 609.345, 609.713, or any similar laws of the United States or any other state; and

(2) is committed against the victim who is a family or household member as defined in section 518B.01, subdivision 2, paragraph (b).

(f) For purposes of paragraph (a), clause (7), "further terrorism" has the meaning given in section 609.714, subdivision 1.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.185

 

[AustinC]

Would he have died if not drugged out though?

In a third degree murder, that would not matter.

Minnesota definition:
609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

(b) Whoever, without intent to cause death, proximately causes the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $40,000, or both.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195

 

[canadyjd]

Would he have died if not drugged out though?

We don’t know. Had the EMS arrived in time, they could have administered the antidote for fentynal OD.

peace to you

 

[Salty]

We don’t know. Had the EMS arrived in time, .

Had he not had a criminal past
Had he not possessed a hand gun
Had he not passed funny money
Had he not resisted Arrest
Had he not taken drugs (3x the fatal dose)
Had he not......

I know what some will say - "Thats no excuse to murder someone"

But those are excellent reasons for LEO to take extra precautions.

 

[canadyjd]

Had he not had a criminal past
Had he not possessed a hand gun
Had he not passed funny money
Had he not resisted Arrest
Had he not taken drugs (3x the fatal dose)
Had he not......

I know what some will say - "Thats no excuse to murder someone"

But those are excellent reasons for LEO to take extra precautions.

First I heard he had a handgun.

The police were justified in the stop and arrest. They were justified in restraining an unstable, resisting man.

They cannot justifying staying on top on a handcuffed suspect for 2:45 seconds knowing he was unconscious, unresponsive and with no discernible pulse.

peace to you

 

[Salty]

I did not say he had a weapon at that indecent - though that was a concern - when they told him to put his hands out the window -
However, had been involved in a robbery - which includes a weapon - not necessarily a handgun- but very well could be.

Bottom line - Floyd would have avoided all this had he cleaned up his actions.

 

[Reformed1689]

Three medical experts, including the coroner, testified the cause of death was low blood oxygen substantially caused by the prolonged restraint with the knee on the neck.

peace to you

Then why does the autopsy disagree? Ask yourself that question.

 

[Reformed1689]

Bottom line - Floyd would have avoided all this had he cleaned up his actions.

EXACTLY. Ultimately, this was caused by Floyd and nobody else.

 

[Salty]

and now - some think the exhaust from the police vehicle may have had an effect on the death.

 

[canadyjd]

I did not say he had a weapon at that indecent - though that was a concern - when they told him to put his hands out the window -
However, had been involved in a robbery - which includes a weapon - not necessarily a handgun- but very well could be.

Bottom line - Floyd would have avoided all this had he cleaned up his actions.

Robbery? He passed a phony $20 bill. I don’t think that meets the standard for robbery.

peace to you

 

[Reformed1689]

Robbery? He passed a phony $20 bill. I don’t think that meets the standard for robbery.

peace to you

You don't think passing a phony $20 is a form of theft?

 

[canadyjd]

and now - some think the exhaust from the police vehicle may have had an effect on the death.

A medical expert refuted that theory on the witness stand. No evidence of exhaust poisoning.

peace to you