William Cohen calls for gays in military.

I do not believe it is necessary to go to such extremes in conversations about such issues. It actually undermines the point and discredits the point maker.

I do not believe that homoexuality is just a private bedroom issue. And I believe it is against God. But the bigger crime has got to be the murder of anyone. Should we suggest that there is some culpability by anyone else because a man hits on a woman? That may be more closer to what God designed for relationships but hitting on women is not godly either. Both are wrong.

We are all born with sin nature and as a result there is no sin that we are not capable of committing. Some sins may be viewed as disgusting but the truth is put in the right circumstances we all are capable of any sin. It is our nature. Our sin nature.

If a homosexual hits on a heterosexual is that worth death? I hope life is valued more than that by any Christian. Homosexuals need our sympathy and compassion not our hatred. Let us not forget that God is soveriegn. He is still on the throne. His providence may not be as we would have it but it is always much greater than ours could ever be.

The premise of this thread is a recipe for a road much like Phelps and his ilk.

 

Man! How you came to that conclusion defies all reasonable thought. You will be in my prayers.

 

Very good. Except I would allow no known homo in.

 

Should be tried for manslaughter, with harassment as a defense.

 

What a great thought process. You're usually really good Wayne, but sometimes you hit a home run.

 

Yes, but WHO is defending homosexuality in this forum? I haven't seen anyone defending homosexuality.

I am going to bed, but I hope that all is well with you,
BiR (excuse any typo's - I am tired)

 

Diminishing the murder of anyone is again tragic. And I am surprised it would be allowed on any christian board.

It appears to obfuscation because apparently in your world you cannot line up being careful not to judge in an unscriptual way. I posted that I do not support it, but you gloss over that because you appear to condone the murder of homosexuals. When you were accused of it by others early on I though they just misunderstood or wanted to intentionally take what you said to the extreme. Now I see they understood better than I did.

It is not obfuscation to not condone homosexuality and at the same time to recognize that their murder would be a greater injustice. They should be tried for first degree murder. We need to be a little more secure with ourselves and maintain alot more self control.

 

You are correct. They should not. But a discussion on murdering them is not helpful. It shouldnt be in the equation

 

I usually agree with you Bro, but not this time. They (servicemen and women) serve at the behest of the Commander in Chief, and he is elected by mom and dad American. Mom and dad American may or may not have served in the military, but they Must have a say.

I don't want a gay person to have any say at all, about anything. Their thinking is corrupt and therefore unreliable. And if Barney Frank were a Republican, he wouldn't be in congress anymore and might even be in jail, for operating a male prostitute ring.

 

I am interested to know what part of what I said appeared as if I got my feelings hurt. I doubt you can find that.


How does an advance by a homosexual threaten the life of a soldier?

 

==I, and others, have responded to your position. You have attacked me and others who disagree with you. How have you attacked us? By accusing us of defending homosexuality. I think anyone who reads this knows that is not what we are doing. I have not read one single post defending homosexuality. Not one person has said homosexuality is ok, moral, or defendable.

==I know more than you think. But go ahead and think what you like.

==The military does not kick out all of them nor does it even try. The military is full, and I mean full, of people who are fornicators (living w/ someone outside of marriage, one night stands, etc), it is also full of people who go to bars (and please don't try to tell me they don't), watch porn, curse (many times using the Lord's Name in profanity), and I could go on and on. Does the military kick these people out? No. Sure if a problem arises it does but it does not kick someone out simply because they go to a night club or are living in sin with a person to whom they are not married. If the military holds that policy towards them (offically or only in practice) it has no moral right to hold a different policy towards homosexuals. The fornicator, liar, blasphemer, and drunkard need not point their hypocritical finger at homosexuals. Why not? Because they are going to hell just like the homosexual is (1Cor 6:9-10, Rev 21:8).

==Several points:

1. What do they have to fear? They can't control what other people think. I don't care if it is a military shower, a shower at a gym, college dorm/gym shower, swimming at the beach, swimming at a lake, swimming at a swimming pool, or standing in line at the local grocery store. We can't control what others think. And, to be perfectly honest, a secure person is not overly concerned with what others think.

2. The issue here is Biblical/Theological consistancy. If we are going to kick out homosexuals then we are "required" kick out every other immoral person as well. Otherwise we are nothing but hypocrites. We can't condemn one sin and look the other way when it comes to other sins.

3. The mistake you are making is treating the military as if it is a moral/religious organization. It is not. It is a secular, civil organization thats main purpose is to go after America's enemies (ie...to destroy them). And that is what it is suppose to do (Rom 13). However it is not a religious organization and the church has no control over it. I don't expect the military to live up to Biblical standards of morality. Why not? Because it is full of lost people. I expect a church to live up to Biblical standards. I expect Christian schools, businesses, and organizations to live up to Biblical standards. Those places are owned and operated by Christians, they are to be Biblical organizations. The military is a non-religious civil organization made up of Christians and many, many lost people. So I don't expect it to have Biblical standards of morality. To expect any non-Christian organization to hold Biblical standards of morality is to deny the fall, and the depravity of man. I expect Christians in the military to live up to Biblical standards, but that is true of Christians anywhere.

 

Doesn't a soldier have the reasonable expectation of serving with like minded, (sexually) comrades? And not have to constantly be on guard against advances from a male who views him as a sexual partner?