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Wisconsin government union debacle spreads...

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carpro

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This uprising of state and local governments against the economic rape of taxpayers by unions can be laid squarely at the feet of one Barrack Obama.

He has been so transparent at advancing the cause of union labor in so many ways... including payoffs, exemption from laws everypone else has to conform to and using government funds to buy corporations purely to keep one of the worst union abuser's members from losing their jobs ... that people are just flat fed up.

Now he's using the government and democrat party resources to support mob rule and incite violence.

What's next?

Anyone not a member of a union has to pay a tax surcharge to the IRS every year?

This moron needs to be voted out of office, or impeached, whichever comes first.
 

SpiritualMadMan

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A deal is a deal and a contract is a contract. Any of you ever try to get your bank to reduce your mortgage because your work was cut? You all "believe in" one rule for the workers and the opposite rule for our owners. It is clear whom you have sold your souls to.

The legislation being disputed does NOT touch or otherwise affect people with current contracts. It begings to affect people as new contract are negotiated and ratified.
 

mandym

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The legislation being disputed does NOT touch or otherwise affect people with current contracts. It begings to affect people as new contract are negotiated and ratified.



Awww man, here you come throwing truth into the mix. Now people will have to deal with the real issue, consider some actual facts, then run around them as if they do not exist. You really know how to throw a wrench in the clock works.



:laugh: I'm just teasing yall
 

Robert Snow

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The thing that comes to my mind is Reagans Handling of PATCO...

If you are contracturally required to be in the classroom and abandon your post...

That's dereliction of duty and grounds for termination. Period.

In todays economy I am sure there are thousands of qualified teachers that would be more than willing to move to Wisconson...

What I really think obama wants is rioting to start so that he can call out the troops and create a precedent for martial law...

Reagan was a fool! People like you worship at the feet of corporate America and don't give a flip about the workers who made it great! I've come to expect this from the right-wingnuts here at the BB.
 

Arbo

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Reagan was a fool! People like you worship at the feet of corporate America and don't give a flip about the workers who made it great! I've come to expect this from the right-wingnuts here at the BB.

Socialist drivel.
 

sag38

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I guess Robert was happy with Jimmy Carter and the hole he was leading us into. Thanks but no thanks. And no thanks to the new union mentality that is willing to destroy the very hand that feeds them.
 

glfredrick

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Reagan was a fool! People like you worship at the feet of corporate America and don't give a flip about the workers who made it great! I've come to expect this from the right-wingnuts here at the BB.

You sound more and more like my mother-in-law with every post... :laugh:

She doesn't get it either. Blames Republicans for the issues with labor unions, loves Demoncrat socialists, but hates tax increases... Thinks government is too big, too inclusive, too encroaching, but won't vote for a candidate that promises to cut back because "government is supposed to give us stuff..." In other words, :wavey: Well, I'm not supposed to call people that name here on the board.
 

glfredrick

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I guess Robert was happy with Jimmy Carter and the hole he was leading us into. Thanks but no thanks. And no thanks to the new union mentality that is willing to destroy the very hand that feeds them.

http://www.cpusa.org/

http://www.cpusa.org/socialism-usa-gus-hall/


We Communists believe that socialism is the very best replacement for a capitalist system that has served its purpose, but no longer meets the needs and requirements of the great majority of our people.

We believe that socialism USA will be built according to the traditions, history, culture and conditions of the United States. Thus, it will be different from any other socialist society in the world. It will be uniquely American.

What will be the goals of our socialist society?

A life free of exploitation, insecurity, poverty; an end to unemployment, hunger and homelessness. An end to racism, national oppression, anti-Semitism, all forms of discrimination, prejudice and bigotry. An end to the unequal status of women. Renewal and extension of democracy; an end to the rule of corporate America and private ownership of the wealth of our nation. Creation of a truly humane and rationally planned society that will stimulate the fullest flowering of the human personality, creativity and talent.

The advocates and ideologues of capitalism hold that such goals are utopian; that human beings are inherently selfish and evil. Others argue that these goals can be fully realized under capitalism.

We are confident, however, that such goals can be realized, but only through a socialist society.

I might add that it is not just capitalists who hold that human beings are inherently selfish and evil... God said so first!

There are some other REAL GEMS on the page linked above...

Production increases much faster than under capitalism, with a planned economy, advancement of science and technology, and the protection and preservation of our environment and natural resources.

Tell that to the people of the former USSR... They had to wait in line in hopes of being able to purchase toilet paper.

Under socialism public services and housing will be vastly improved and expanded. They will be broadened in their scope beyond anything dreamed of under capitalism.

Kids who dream this sort of stuff mess up their sheets in the night... :laugh:

Poverty will be ended quickly with the recovery of the vast resources now wasted in war production, corporate profits and the extravagent lifestyles of the filthy rich.

Yup, just like in Cuba, Russia, China, North Viet Nam, North Korea, Cambodia, Laos, etc...

With capitalism gone, crime will also begin to disappear, for it is the vicious profit system that corrupts people and breeds crime.

I'm sure that they saw this reduction in all those places mentioned above...

Some ask whether guaranteeing basic necessities, free education, low-cost housing and health care will encourage people to avoid working, or doing their best. The principle of socialism is: From each according to his/her ability, to each according to his/her work.

It caused most people to halt production in the places where it has been fully implemented because there was no incentive to work. "Someone else" would take care of the needs of the individual, but there were no "someone else's" left to do all the work. If everyone is not equal, then it is not truly "socialism" is it? But, of course, some are "more equal" than others -- like Party Officials, for instance.

In highly mechanized U.S. agriculture there will still be a place for the family farmer. But the farm family will be relieved of the pressure of agribusiness monopolies.

Wait, what? Oh, I get it... The government runs all the farms, and they are the quintessential definition of agribusiness monopoly, but the family farmer will still be free to do what he wants... See my comment about the dreams of youth above. :laugh:

War propaganda will be outlawed.

As defined by whom? Pravda?

The only privileged sectors will be the children and seniors, who have earned the right to a healthy, happy, secure retirement.

They've done REAL WELL in all the socialist nations... Gee, I want to send my kids to North Korea! Sure beats dieting!

Socialism USA will benefit from the experiences, the mistakes and succesess of the countries who built and are building socialism. But mainly it will reflect the distinctive features of U.S. development and environment.

In other words, "never mind the man behind the curtain..." WE can do this RIGHT in the USA! Yeah... I bet. :wavey:

Socialism USA will avoid the terrible problems of extreme poverty, illiteracy, civil wars, wars of intervention and world wars.

Just a minute... Let me check in with Joseph Stalin...

And here is where it starts looking like Wisconsin:

I like to say that when workers enter the corporate board rooms to take over and the ruling class says: O.K. you're right, we made a mess of things and now you should run it all. Well then there won't be any trouble. But if the ruling class says: Forget it! And call out the army and the police and the national guard, then that is how revolutions become violent. It starts with the ruling class. Workers and their allies have to defend themselves and to fight for what is rightfully theirs.
 

billwald

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> It begings to affect people as new contract are negotiated and ratified.

If so then it is less objectionable by a tad.
 

Magnetic Poles

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What is ridiculous is Walker is giving tax breaks for the super wealthy and expecting teachers, firemen, and police officers to pay for them. His owners, the Koch brothers, must be proud. Typical right wing rhetoric here from the usual suspects.
 

mandym

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What is ridiculous is Walker is giving tax breaks for the super wealthy and expecting teachers, firemen, and police officers to pay for them. His owners, the Koch brothers, must be proud. Typical right wing rhetoric here from the usual suspects.

So help me out here. How is it that a tax break can be paid for by anyone? This appears to assume that people keeping their own money is a cost. Doesn't add up. Correct me if I misunderstood your post.
 

Magnetic Poles

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So help me out here. How is it that a tax break can be paid for by anyone? This appears to assume that people keeping their own money is a cost. Doesn't add up. Correct me if I misunderstood your post.

Taxes formerly paid by one group (the corporations, Koch bros. and Walmart for example) leave a deficit that must be made up. In this case, by taking more from the working class. There is no free lunch.
 

mandym

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Taxes formerly paid by one group (the corporations, Koch bros. and Walmart for example) leave a deficit that must be made up. In this case, by taking more from the working class. There is no free lunch.

Spending creates deficit. If you have zero coming in but you spend nothing then no deficit occurs. If you spend less than what you take in no deficit occurs. If your intake decreases so must your spending. Tax breaks can never create deficits, only spending. If taxes or Government revenue reduces then so must spending. If you do not reduce spending then and only then will deficits occur.

Taxes always inhibit the economy. That is why we need to be careful what we tax. And government revenue is always higher when the economy is moving better.
 

SpiritualMadMan

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Supply-Siders believe that lowering taxes will spur the economy because when *most* companies have more money to invest in jobs and employees, they do so.

obamanomics believes that to spur the economy we must spend more money than we have.

We have seen this tried at least twice so far in this debacle regime.

It hasn't worked...

The money was frittered away, spent and lost on the few self absorbed companies that had no intention of putting back into the economy.

If spending could get me out of debt... Trust me, there are a lot of goodies that I have enough credit worthiness to buy... But, I am not as stupid as obama's economic "experts"!

x - being an unknown quantity and spurt being a drip under pressure! :D
 

Arbo

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What is ridiculous is Walker is giving tax breaks for the super wealthy and expecting teachers, firemen, and police officers to pay for them. His owners, the Koch brothers, must be proud. Typical right wing rhetoric here from the usual suspects.

What is your source for this misinformation? You don't know what you're talking about.
 
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