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Wisdom Prophecy unacceptable?

Cathode

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What is a test for God’s Word.

“21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed. Deuteronomy 18

What if it all comes true? Then it was prophetic and he was prophet of God preaching His Word.

Wisdom 2:12-20
“Let us lie in wait for the righteous man,
because he is inconvenient to us and opposes our actions;
he reproaches us for sins against the law,
and accuses us of sins against our training.
13 He professes to have knowledge of God,
and calls himself a child of the Lord.
14 He became to us a reproof of our thoughts;
15 the very sight of him is a burden to us,
because his manner of life is unlike that of others,
and his ways are strange.
16 We are considered by him as something base,
and he avoids our ways as unclean;
he calls the last end of the righteous happy,
and boasts that God is his father.
17 Let us see if his words are true,
and let us test what will happen at the end of his life;
18 for if the righteous man is God’s son, he will help him,
and will deliver him from the hand of his adversaries.
19 Let us test him with insult and torture,
that we may find out how gentle he is,
and make trial of his forbearance.
20 Let us condemn him to a shameful death,
for, according to what he says, he will be protected.”

Everything here is prophetic of Jesus like Isaiah 53.

“Let us lie in wait for the righteous man,
because he is inconvenient to us and opposes our actions;
he reproaches us for sins against the law,
and accuses us of sins against our training.”

Jesus did do this, He accused them of being hypocrites that did not practice what they preached.

——.

“He professes to have knowledge of God,
and calls himself a child of the Lord.”

Jesus did this as well.
“All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”

——.

“He became to us a reproof of our thoughts”

Jesus did this as well.

“Jesus knew what they were thinking and asked, “Why are you thinking these things in your hearts?”

——.

“the very sight of him is a burden to us,
because his manner of life is unlike that of others,
and his ways are strange.”

Jesus showed this as well. Jesus lived what He preached, in contrast to the teachers of the law, this was strange.

“because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law.”

——.

“We are considered by him as something base,
and he avoids our ways as unclean;”

Jesus did this as well.

“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others.”

——.

“he calls the last end of the righteous happy,
and boasts that God is his father.”

Jesus did these as well,

“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”

“This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.” John 5:18

— —.

“Let us see if his words are true,
and let us test what will happen at the end of his life;
18 for if the righteous man is God’s son, he will help him,
and will deliver him from the hand of his adversaries.”

Jesus was tested this way.

“And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.”

— —.

“Let us test him with insult and torture,
that we may find out how gentle he is,
and make trial of his forbearance.”

Jesus was tortured and put on trial.

“Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

——.

“Let us condemn him to a shameful death,
for, according to what he says, he will be protected.”

Jesus was condemned to a shameful death.

Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising or scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.” Hebrews 12:2

“He saved others; he cannot save himself. He is the King of Israel; let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him.”

The prophecy of Wisdom is detailed and accurate and fits the test of Deuteronomy for God’s Word, so why don’t protestants accept it. It all came true, in every detail perfectly.
 
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Deacon

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What is a test for God’s Word.

“21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed. Deuteronomy 18

What if it all comes true? Then it was prophetic and he was prophet of God preaching His Word.
What if the message of the prophet is defined and never is fulfilled?

There is such a man, chosen of God, whose message was given and not fulfilled!

Rob
 

37818

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The close of the 66 books of Holy Scripture disallows any addition to them.

This cause being the Holy Scriptures alone being the sole authority for the faith and it's practice.
 

Scarlett O.

Moderator
Moderator
King of Israel; let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him.”

The prophecy of Wisdom is detailed and accurate and fits the test of Deuteronomy for God’s Word, so why don’t protestants accept it. It all came true, in every detail perfectly.
Cathode, it's sort of impossible to call something "prophecy" that is written AFTER the fact.

The book of Wisdom you are referring to was written in the 1st or 2nd century AD.
 

37818

Well-Known Member
Who closed the 66 book Canon?
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, with Revelation 22:18-19.

Luke 24:44. Revelation 19:10.

They were being used in the churches as Holy Scripture in the first century. Holy Scriptures were Holy Scriptures form the time of there original autographs were first received.
 
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Cathode

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The Revelation of Jesus Christ, with Revelation 22:18-19.

Luke 24:44. Revelation 19:10.

They were being used in the churches as Holy Scripture in the first century. Holy Scriptures were Holy Scriptures form the time of there original autographs were first received.

The Catholic Church was using the Scriptures as its Liturgy, but the Canon itself had not been defined until Pope Damasus declaration in Rome in 382 Ad.
That same 73 book Canon remains to this day.
Only the Catholic did this.
 

canadyjd

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The Catholic Church was using the Scriptures as its Liturgy, but the Canon itself had not been defined until Pope Damasus declaration in Rome in 382 Ad.
That same 73 book Canon remains to this day.
Only the Catholic did this.
This is an attempt to rewrite history. The RCC added the additional 7 books as “scripture” at the council of Trent (1500’s) in an effort to push back at the reformers motto of scripture alone.

You quoted 8 verses from your apocrypha book. I’ve never read it, but I do know the early church compared it to known scripture and rejected it as canon by the end of the first century (or early 2nd).

The RCC did not exist until your anti-Christ pope forged a will from Emperor Constantine giving him authority over the army so the RCC could kill all who disagreed was th the pope in Rome.

As with much of RCC doctrine, Satan has added a mixture of truth to his many lies to obscure the truth of God’s word with error, so as to prevent, if possible, the elect from being saved.

Peace to you
 

Cathode

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This is an attempt to rewrite history. The RCC added the additional 7 books as “scripture” at the council of Trent (1500’s) in an effort to push back at the reformers motto of scripture alone.

You quoted 8 verses from your apocrypha book. I’ve never read it, but I do know the early church compared it to known scripture and rejected it as canon by the end of the first century (or early 2nd).

The RCC did not exist until your anti-Christ pope forged a will from Emperor Constantine giving him authority over the army so the RCC could kill all who disagreed was th the pope in Rome.

As with much of RCC doctrine, Satan has added a mixture of truth to his many lies to obscure the truth of God’s word with error, so as to prevent, if possible, the elect from being saved.

Peace to you

Trent just confirmed the same 73 book Canon from 382 ad. The first Bible.

Easy to check for yourself, 5 other Councils at least confirm the same 73 book Canon between 382 ad and Trent.

If you want to follow the lie that Catholics added books to the Bible at Trent, then this will always be a lie.

But if you love the truth, then you can admit you were lied to, then you can follow the truth and not lies anymore.
 

Silverhair

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Trent just confirmed the same 73 book Canon from 382 ad. The first Bible.

Easy to check for yourself, 5 other Councils at least confirm the same 73 book Canon between 382 ad and Trent.

If you want to follow the lie that Catholics added books to the Bible at Trent, then this will always be a lie.

But if you love the truth, then you can admit you were lied to, then you can follow the truth and not lies anymore.

Same circular reasoning you always use. Trust the RCC to tell you what the RCC says is true.

Your whole system is build on shall we say half truths.
 

canadyjd

Well-Known Member
Trent just confirmed the same 73 book Canon from 382 ad. The first Bible.

Easy to check for yourself, 5 other Councils at least confirm the same 73 book Canon between 382 ad and Trent.

If you want to follow the lie that Catholics added books to the Bible at Trent, then this will always be a lie.

But if you love the truth, then you can admit you were lied to, then you can follow the truth and not lies anymore.
The RCC considered these writings as apocrypha, not scripture, prior to Trent. It is easy to check for yourself. I’m not surprised you would come to the BB and spread Catholic lies.

But even more important, before the RCC came into existence when an anti-Christ pope forged a will of Emperor Constantine in the 4th century, the earliest churches had already rejected these writings as not part of the canon.

If you love the truth, you will admit you have been deceived by Satan, the RCC is apostate, your Pope follows pagan rituals and does not speak for Jesus, Mary is not a perpetual virgin and sinned like everybody else, your doctrines are breathed out of the mouth of Satan himself….

Then and only then will you follow the truth and not the lies of Satan

Peace to you
 

Cathode

Well-Known Member
Same circular reasoning you always use. Trust the RCC to tell you what the RCC says is true.

Your whole system is build on shall we say half truths.

The RCC considered these writings as apocrypha, not scripture, prior to Trent. It is easy to check for yourself. I’m not surprised you would come to the BB and spread Catholic lies.

But even more important, before the RCC came into existence when an anti-Christ pope forged a will of Emperor Constantine in the 4th century, the earliest churches had already rejected these writings as not part of the canon.

If you love the truth, you will admit you have been deceived by Satan, the RCC is apostate, your Pope follows pagan rituals and does not speak for Jesus, Mary is not a perpetual virgin and sinned like everybody else, your doctrines are breathed out of the mouth of Satan himself….

Then and only then will you follow the truth and not the lies of Satan

Peace to you

Don’t let your prejudices against Catholicism cloud you and force you into harbouring and propagating a lie.

The Bible was always 73 books from the beginning and it is so easily verified.

Do not prefer a lie over the Truth, the Truth can not harm you, the smallest lie can destroy you, each lie is a building block that greater error is built. Following lies means you are on the wrong path. Recognise it, don’t just reject the truth because a Catholic told you it.
 

canadyjd

Well-Known Member
The Bible tells me that RCC doctrine is a lie. Historical records tell me the RCC came into existence in the 4th century when a pope forged a will of Constantine to give him authority over the Army.

Historical records tell me the RCC church considered these 7 writings to be apocrypha, not scripture, until Trent. You know it is true.

Historical records tell me inquisition, killing those that disagree, was official RCC doctrine until the 20th century.

Historical records tell me official RCC doctrine was to castrate young choir boys so their voices wouldn’t change in puberty until the 20th century.

RCC history is full of lies and murder and child mutilation and child abuse. The RCC church follows Satan, their father, who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning.

You are regurgitating RCC lies. Following these lies puts you in the wrong path. Recognize it. Don’t follow it just because a peado priest told you he controls whether you receive the grace of God.

Peace to you
 
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Silverhair

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Don’t let your prejudices against Catholicism cloud you and force you into harbouring and propagating a lie.

The Bible was always 73 books from the beginning and it is so easily verified.

Do not prefer a lie over the Truth, the Truth can not harm you, the smallest lie can destroy you, each lie is a building block that greater error is built. Following lies means you are on the wrong path. Recognise it, don’t just reject the truth because a Catholic told you it.

You have been indoctrinated to believe the false teachings of the RCC. You use circular reasoning and then deny clear history. You even go so far as to deny the authority of God.
 

Cathode

Well-Known Member
The Bible tells me that RCC doctrine is a lie. Historical records tell me the RCC came into existence in the 4th century when a pope forged a will of Constantine to give him authority over the Army.

Historical records tell me the RCC church considered these 7 writings to be apocrypha, not scripture, until Trent. You know it is true.

Historical records tell me inquisition, killing those that disagree, was official RCC doctrine until the 20th century.

Historical records tell me official RCC doctrine was to castrate young choir boys so their voices wouldn’t change in puberty until the 20th century.

RCC history is full of lies and murder and child mutilation and child abuse. The RCC church follows Satan, their father, who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning.

You are regurgitating RCC lies. Following these lies puts you in the wrong path. Recognize it. Don’t follow it just because a peado priest told you he controls whether you receive the grace of God.

Peace to you

You have been indoctrinated to believe the false teachings of the RCC. You use circular reasoning and then deny clear history. You even go so far as to deny the authority of God.

The clear history is the 73 book Canon of Scripture from the beginning.

You are in a state of deep prejudice where nothing Catholic can ever be true, even the most verifiable and simple facts of history.

You could google it and instantly get the truth. But the truth does not accord with your prejudices, so you prefer the lie over the truth.

This is how people trap themselves in the lie. Repeated and obstinate denial of the truth.

The malice of prejudice resorts to lies and binds itself tight to the lie. It makes people completely unworthy of the Truth.

The Council of Rome, the first Bible with 73 books is declared 382 ad.

The Council of Hippo confirmed the 73 book Canon

The two Councils of Carthage confirmed the 73 book Canon.

The Council of Florence confirmed the 73 book Canon. 1431 ad

You could look up any of these and confirm the facts.

Don’t let malice and prejudice harden your hearts against the truth.

Successfully defending yourself against the truth is not victory but great loss.
 

Silverhair

Well-Known Member
The clear history is the 73 book Canon of Scripture from the beginning.

You are in a state of deep prejudice where nothing Catholic can ever be true, even the most verifiable and simple facts of history.

You could google it and instantly get the truth. But the truth does not accord with your prejudices, so you prefer the lie over the truth.

This is how people trap themselves in the lie. Repeated and obstinate denial of the truth.

The malice of prejudice resorts to lies and binds itself tight to the lie. It makes people completely unworthy of the Truth.

The Council of Rome, the first Bible with 73 books is declared 382 ad.

The Council of Hippo confirmed the 73 book Canon

The two Councils of Carthage confirmed the 73 book Canon.

The Council of Florence confirmed the 73 book Canon. 1431 ad

You could look up any of these and confirm the facts.

Don’t let malice and prejudice harden your hearts against the truth.

Successfully defending yourself against the truth is not victory but great loss.

All you do is use RCC councils to support your RCC errors. How many times must you be told that what you call proof is just RCC propaganda.

The truth is what you have been rejecting as long as you continue to promote the false RCC doctrines and dogma. The RCC is just a failed attempt to usurp the authority of God which is an act of sheer presumption on it's part.
 

Cathode

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All you do is use RCC councils to support your RCC errors. How many times must you be told that what you call proof is just RCC propaganda.

The truth is what you have been rejecting as long as you continue to promote the false RCC doctrines and dogma. The RCC is just a failed attempt to usurp the authority of God which is an act of sheer presumption on it's part.

It was Catholic Councils that determined and declared the Canon of the Bible in the first place, with inspiration of The Holy Spirit.

No Protestants or Baptists had anything to do with this, they don’t even agree among themselves what the Bible means. These are all human founded traditions, built on “ what does the scripture mean to you “.
 
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