Woman senior pastor

[TCassidy]

With the improper use of words, the words eventually become meaningless. "Liberal" is one of those words. Today the word "liberal" means "anyone who disagrees with me."

But the actual meaning of the word, in theological context, is to accept the teachings of Theological Modernism.

The church I presently attend is affiliated with the BGCT, the oldest Baptist Convention in Texas.

When the split occurred in 1998 our church decided to stay with the BGCT. The issue we thought was important was the proposed change in the 2000 BFM that removed the assertion that the person of Jesus Christ was to be the exegetical standard by which the Bible was to be interpreted.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I don't know which one you are referring to, but Calvary Baptist Church in Waco called a female pastor nearly 20 years ago. I think they were looking for someone recently, so this might be the same church.


Anyone and any group that had a problem with it nearly 20 years ago has probably already acted.


Churches have autonomy to do whatever they want to do in terms of leadership.

That's WACO!

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I have a female cousin who I love and admire very much, who is a Methodist "pastor". So it makes me sad to say that I would have to disavow any church that has a female pastor and that if you scratch beyond the surface of a church with a female pastor, you'll find all sorts of doctrinal issues.

If it is a Baptist church, then counselling is in order and, failing that, removal from the local association of churches.

 

[JonC]

A Waco Baptist church has select a woman to be the new Senior pastor.

Should that church be publicly rebuked by all Baptist churches, fellowship rejected, and removed from association of any convention(s)?

What are your thoughts?

I do not believe it is our place to publicly rebuke other churches. The association should reject as members any church that fails to adhere to the doctrines that they have set forth (or change those requirements). Individual churches should preach and teach their own congregations.

So....at an association level (my association) the church would be appropriately rejected. This does not mean that our local church would refuse to help the church if it is in need.

 

[Vizio]

A Waco Baptist church has select a woman to be the new Senior pastor.

Should that church be publicly rebuked by all Baptist churches, fellowship rejected, and removed from association of any convention(s)?

What are your thoughts?

Maybe we ought to be happy it's not a pair of lesbian women.

 

[Calminian]

A Waco Baptist church has select a woman to be the new Senior pastor.

Should that church be publicly rebuked by all Baptist churches, fellowship rejected, and removed from association of any convention(s)?

What are your thoughts?

I don't know why God wanted only men to be pastors, but I have a feeling, if He allowed women pastors, men would rarely step up.

Speaking out against false doctrine is very unpopular these days, but maybe it's time to reconsider. The Church in America is shrinking at catastrophic rates. 2 out of 3 to 4 out of 5 kids are leaving the Church (depending on which statistic you look at).

I think it has to do with the modern Church abandoning biblical authority. We see this in the Genesis debate, the cessation debate and the pastoral gender debate.

And I don't know if a public rebuke would be in order, but speaking up? I think we need to, if for no other reason, to distinguish biblical Churches from other Churches.

 

[Calv1]

A Waco Baptist church has select a woman to be the new Senior pastor.

Should that church be publicly rebuked by all Baptist churches, fellowship rejected, and removed from association of any convention(s)?

What are your thoughts?

Yes, all of above. It violates the recipe the bible set up for the Churches.

 

[JonC]

I don't know why God wanted only men to be pastors, but I have a feeling, if He allowed women pastors, men would rarely step up.

It's because if women were pastors men would never get to talk.

 

[PrmtvBptst1832]

A Waco Baptist church has select a woman to be the new Senior pastor.

Should that church be publicly rebuked by all Baptist churches, fellowship rejected, and removed from association of any convention(s)?

What are your thoughts?

I wonder where this church found the office of senior pastor in scripture. I read about elders, bishops, deacons, etc., but never "senior pastor." I guess if we're not going to model the church as it is described in scripture, and that includes the offices enumerated therein, it does not really matter who holds it. They should be rebuked, and none should have fellowship with them who adhere to scripture. Furthermore, I do not find any associations or conventions in scripture either......

 

[scanner]

A Waco Baptist church has select a woman to be the new Senior pastor.

Should that church be publicly rebuked by all Baptist churches, fellowship rejected, and removed from association of any convention(s)?

What are your thoughts?

"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife..." 1 Tim. 3:2a
"For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly." Titus 1:5&6

Local churches have ordained all manner of reprobates over the years. I suppose that someone from the isle of Lesbos might consider herself to be a 'he' or an 'it' and achieve husbandhood. All hail the she-bishop, Pastor Pat!

Reality has limits and stupidity does not.

I hope some bible-thumper goes and thumps the she-bishop on her 'butch hair cut."

 

[Baptist Believer]

I wonder where this church found the office of senior pastor in scripture. I read about elders, bishops, deacons, etc., but never "senior pastor."

As far as I know, the church has not claimed that their previous or current pastors were/are "senior pastors." As I recall, they simply refer to the pastor of the congregation as the pastor.

"Senior pastor" seems to be the designation given by their critics or supporters in order to point out that a woman is in what many mistakenly believe is a role of power (the person "in charge"). If we want to be New Testament about it, then we would recognize that a pastor (aka "elder" or "bishop") is the servant of all of the believers, who leads by the inherent authority of his or her walk with Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit manifested in his or her life through the witness of preaching and ministry.

 

[SheepWhisperer]

I've heard Pentecostals refer to "Deborah" and the "daughters" who "prophesied" to justify themselves in this. But the Bible clearly says that "elders" (plural) were to "rule" a church. I know that won't set well with some but it's what the Bible says. It also says that women are not to teach men. I say, leave them to themselves and revoke association. As far as "rebuking" goes I suppose you could give the "pastor" the first and second admonition (Titus 3:10)

 

[Baptist Believer]

I suppose that someone from the isle of Lesbos might consider herself to be a 'he' or an 'it' and achieve husbandhood. All hail the she-bishop, Pastor Pat!

Reality has limits and stupidity does not.

I hope some bible-thumper goes and thumps the she-bishop on her 'butch hair cut."

Unless you have very different view about what is "butch", you have simply assumed that the new pastor is a lesbian, has a "butch hair cut," and needs to be beaten.

I can understand disagreeing with the church's decision, but I don't understand your assumptions and venom.

 

[Mississippi John]

My Church ordains Women because we baptize girls.

 

[PrmtvBptst1832]

"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife..." 1 Tim. 3:2a
"For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly." Titus 1:5&6

Local churches have ordained all manner of reprobates over the years. I suppose that someone from the isle of Lesbos might consider herself to be a 'he' or an 'it' and achieve husbandhood. All hail the she-bishop, Pastor Pat!

Reality has limits and stupidity does not.

I hope some bible-thumper goes and thumps the she-bishop on her 'butch hair cut."

That is part of the problem. The distinct roles God has ordained for men and woman are not being maintained in the church or the home.

 

[PrmtvBptst1832]

As far as I know, the church has not claimed that their previous or current pastors were/are "senior pastors." As I recall, they simply refer to the pastor of the congregation as the pastor.

"Senior pastor" seems to be the designation given by their critics or supporters in order to point out that a woman is in what many mistakenly believe is a role of power (the person "in charge"). If we want to be New Testament about it, then we would recognize that a pastor (aka "elder" or "bishop") is the servant of all of the believers, who leads by the inherent authority of his or her walk with Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit manifested in his or her life through the witness of preaching and ministry.

I like your definition of authority as it pertains to an elder. It definitely is an inherent authority of his following Christ and the power of the Holy Ghost. However, it is a position of authority nonetheless.
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. -1 Tim. 2.12

I fail to see the consistency, though, in Baptist churches who object to women being elders on verses such as this, but ask "Sister So-And-So" to stand up and "testify," whatever that means.

And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. -1 Co. 14.35

According to Paul, women are not even to ask questions in the coming together of the whole church into one place. Women no longer see the necessity of having long hair or covering their head. Women elders are just the natural result of the casting away of the authority God has ordained.

 

[tyndale1946]

That is part of the problem. The distinct roles God has ordained for men and woman are not being maintained in the church or the home.

We can him and haw all we want to on this subject and I have never seen this problem in the church I grew up in... In fact if it occurred in our church it would cease to be church and fellowship would have been withdrawn and the dissenters could start their own church... How can a woman bishop be the husband of one wife?... God is not the author of confusion... I could go into it more but I agree with what PrmtvBptst1832 said in post#29 and this one... Scripture couldn't be any plainer... Brother Glen

1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

 

[PrmtvBptst1832]

We can him and haw all we want to on this subject and I have never seen this problem in the church I grew up in... In fact if it occurred in our church it would cease to be church and fellowship would have been withdrawn and the dissenters could start their own church... How can a woman bishop be the husband of one wife?... God is not the author of confusion... I could go into it more but I agree with what PrmtvBptst1832 said in post#29 and this one... Scripture couldn't be any plainer... Brother Glen

1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

That was a qualification because it was taken for granted that a bishop would be a man.

 

[PilgrimPastor]

I doubt they have "ignored" scripture. I'm sure they see it as interpreting scripture differently.

Yes.

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

A church I used to attend had a woman senior pastor. Her husband had the title of pastor and preached the sermons. She wore the pants in that family and completely controlled him. Even though she was not on the payroll and had no title, she ran the show. Consequently, that church stayed in constant turmoil.

JB: No surprise there.