woman worship leader

I have never seen anything in the Bible that leads me to believe that singing is usurping authority, anymore than serving a meal would be.

HOLD DA HORSIES!

Wait. I like this logic! Nevermind!

If I cook, I am the authority on the food. I do not want to usurp authority by leading the men to eat. If I drive, I'm taking control of the car.

Oh and somebody stop me...this is too great...THE WASHING MACHINE! Oh mercy, I shouldn't touch that thing!

I agree. Women shouldn't lead the singing. Or anything else.

Now, who's gonna go cook my breakfast?

Seriously though folks, for those who say women are having some kind of manly authority by singing, you wouldn't have that problem if the song leader was called the motivational singer. Just because it has the word "lead" in it is no reason to get all snickerdoodled. If you're first in line at the grocery store, you're in the lead. If you have kids, you lead them. Even if you have little boys.
There's plenty of times in the Bible where women "lead", and don't usurp authority. The Bible doesn't say not to lead anything, it says not to exercise authority over a man. Asking him to turn to page 95 isn't exactly ruling with an iron fist.

 

Leadership in Christian worship belongs to men. Why confuse the issue?

 

Because the Bible never says that worship belongs to men only.
It's a 24/7 thing. How in the world can a man be in charge of my worship?
When I pray it's worship.
When I sing it's worship.
When I witness to others it is worship.
When I do anything to anyone that is right I am worshippping God.

If I had to have a man lead me in worship, I'd not be able to do anything but lay on the ground flat and silent. That just ain't good sense.

 

Gina L better be careful.... some churches call that slain in the Spirit!

 

True.

That's not the question, though. The question is about leading organized worship in church, not about one's private devotions.

If I had to have a man lead me in worship, I'd not be able to do anything but ...[be] silent. That just ain't good sense.

1 Cor. 14:34

 

Only if the woman can do so silently without teaching or having authority over men. (I Tim 2)

 

Not really. I am pretty much put off by women song/worship leaders. I think that the position without any question involves teaching and authority.

I have considered it pretty carefully and don't believe my impulse has anything to do with tradition. In fact, my dad's KJVO/KJVP, 'conservative to the point of being anti-intellectual' church has a female choir director and song leader. I believe it to be violation of scriptural principles concerning the roles of men and women in the congregation.

 

I have always considered myself highly conservative, but I think a woman can lead the singing.

I'd like to be in PastorSBC1303's church -- his quote was something like: As long as she comes under the authority of the pastor.

I will admit that this thread has made my rebellious nature rile up a bit. I've thought of some pretty smart alecky stuff to say, but I'm going to show self-control and not let those comment fly off my fingertips.

 

Let scripture interpret scripture. Paul says that women are not to teach nor usurp authority over men. That is pretty plain.

Prophesy means either to foretell or forthtell (proclaim). I suspect that Paul's admonition concerning head coverings had to do with one of two things.

A) Women ministering and teaching women in a way that demonstrated culturally consistent appearances of submission.

B) That women should take care that their appearance didn't send a message of rebellion to people they proclaimed the gospel to out in the world. Christianity afforded women more worth and respect than either the Jewish or Greek cultures around them. It would have been a natural concern that Christian women might offend cultural sensibilities unnecessary by rejecting the head covering custom. Likewise, there was possibly a feminist movement at the time (according the J MacArthur if I remember the commentary correctly) that tossed off cultural norms including head coverings. It would have been detrimental to the witness of the church for the women to have been associated with them.

I don't either... but that didn't seem to be the question. The question was about leading worship/song ministries. Leading those things at a minimum involves telling others what to do, how to do it, and when to do it- that is by definition "authority".

I hope I still come across that way.

I really try to take care not to be legalistic... and to oppose legalism. I don't think we have a right to be more or less conservative than the Bible. I simply don't know how a woman can be the music leader without instructing, directing, correcting, etc. If men are involved, I don't see how that cannot be a violation of the passage I cited.

 

I think it's fine.

The NT never addresses the idea of "worship leader" so I think it's an extra-biblical (don't read UNbiblical) issue.

I'm with PastorSBC1303.

 

The NT does address the issues of leadership and congregational order.

 

As long as the pastor is in the right! If the one under the pastor knows something is not right and continues doing it just because they are under the pastor's authority, they will be held accountable. Ignorance is not bliss!

 

I don't think your two comments go together.

One indicates that the person needs to show the pastor the error of his ways. This would indicate the person realizes something is ascue. (is this person a woman? and if it is, does she have the right to tell the pastor anything?)

Two indicates the person is ignorant and blissful.

It is a difficult scenario to be both informed and ignorant.

We are talking about leading the singing here -- not baptising, not issuing an invitation, and certainly not preaching. A gifted woman leading the singing is much preferrable to a male who doesn't know what he's doing.

 

Come on over to Missouri We got room for ya.

Scott, I appreciate the nature and tone of your posts on the board. I do not always agree with you, but I find you always make me think and you carry yourself in a Christlike manner.

I respect your view here on this position and I have several friends that would hold the same position. I disagree with it, but I do respect it.

 

True.

That's not the question, though. The question is about leading organized worship in church, not about one's private devotions.

If I had to have a man lead me in worship, I'd not be able to do anything but ...[be] silent. That just ain't good sense.

1 Cor. 14:34 </font>[/QUOTE]Ok then, the Bible never says anything about women not being able to LEAD in the singing during organized worship in church.

Why the hangup over the word lead? Why let a woman doing anything? Why let her lead in the rounding up of people to clean the potties? Why let her lead the nursery? Why let her lead in kitchen duty for the pot-lucks?

If someone feels demasculated (is that a word? looking for word for guy feeling bossed around) by having a woman tell them what page the song is on, that kinda scares me.

 

"usurp" is one of 2 things..

1) the sound you make when you drink through a straw, or,

2) what you do when you eat pancakes or waffles.. You "usurp"

lol