woman worship leader

Again, I disagree. While our pastor remains the "leader", ANY of the male members can be the one behind the pulpit, and are encouraged to do so. Anyone can say "hey, there's something on my heart, I'd like to teach the service next Sunday".
Why should it not be so? Where in the Bible does it say or imply that "no pastor should cede any part of the service to someone else"?

 

Most Pastors I've known...considering their singing and musical abilities...have had the good sense to completly and gladly abandon the realm of worship music to ANYONE...man, woman, or teenager!

Honestly, most of my pastors couldnt even snap their fingers in time if their life depended on it.

Do your thing, Tater Tot...God is pleased!

Mike

 

That wasn't done in the Temple or in a synagogue. God makes a distinction between the assembly and private devotions. Most of the responses in this thread are confusing them.

Music is a form of teaching, Col. 3:16.

Anyway, folks can't get around the fact that God has given the leadership roles in the assembly to men. The issue of women in leadership genders questions and strife, so why push it? It would seem to me that God would be more pleased if the women would surrender their leadership than to insist upon it, no matter how fullfilling they think it.

 

The Colosians verse is interesting. I'll have to check that out and look into it! Thanks for posting it.

In the meantime, this doesn't say that it's only inside of an official church meeting. In fact, it seems to be focusing on day to day life, and later in the chapter it says that women are to be submissive to men.
So what do you believe about women singing hymns and psalms...anytime a man is around to hear it?

(if a woman sings a hymn in the forest and no man is there to hear it, did she still usurp authority?)

 

Gina L said:

Gina, I didn't make myself clear. What I meant was that a pastor should should not cede complete control of the music to anyone else. No music leader should be autonomous and not accountable to anyone. Without some chain of command, you have the potential for big problems. I recognize that many pastors are perfectly willing for music leaders to have wide latitude, since the pastor usually does not have the training and experience in that area. But he must maintain oversight and ultimate contol.

Specifically in response to your comment quoted above, I believe the pastor must be the guardian of his pulpit as well. He should have the right to determine who will or will not preach or speak from it. All this is part of his mandate to shepherd the flock and protect it. See Acts 20:28-29.

Tom B

 

There is the view in some circles that the "elect lady and her children" whom John wrote to in his 2nd epistle was actually a body of believers with the "elect lady" being their pastor.

I'm not saying I agree with that necesarrily.

Just throwing it out as "food for thought".

(Although I have absolutly no problem with Tater Tot being the worship leader at her church.)

God bless,

Mike

 

The elect lady would not have been a pastor, IMO. Although John did not preach the same style as Paul, Paul did say a Bishop was to be the husband of one wife. Since God is no respector of persons and Paul said in Galatians that he did not receive the gospel from man, but from God, I believe John would have preached the same. No women pastors.

 

I'll agree with this. I am under the Senior Pastor's authority in our church body just like anyone else in our body.

 

Joshua, just to make sure I am clear about my view of the chain of command in a congregation. The Senior Pastor is the head of the staff, and they are under his authority. The Senior Pastor derives his authority from the congregation by virtue of, and commensurate with, the responsibilities of his office.

The question is, does the authority over the congregation (as bishop) relate to the body or does it extend to individual members? I don't think so, but I'm willing to hear arguments the other way.

Tom B

 

Tom,

I agree with you that it does not. To me this is what the "priesthood of the believer" truth is all about.

As one example, all the individual people in a fellowship are expected by God to be students of the scriptures with the Holy Spirit alone being their teacher and interpreter.

They are certainly to consider the good biblical teaching presented at that fellowship, and grow thereby. But they are to never just blindly buy into everything taught simply because "Pastor taught it...I must believe it."

That is cultic.

Now, the flip side of that coin is that the believer...who might have some different views regarding some teachings...is completly out of order if they undermine the pastor and cause divisions. Doesnt mean he cant answer a question honestly if someone asks, but he should never take it upon himself to start trying to get others to go against the pastor and believe as he/she does.

If it gets to where he/she just cant be at peace under the teaching at that fellowship, they should just quietly leave and seek another one...and maybe talk privately with the pastor as to why.

God bless,

Mike