Women at the pulpit

Atestring, how is my statement a logical fallacy?

I am just not following your point. Are you saying that this statement I made is a logical fallacy?

Please clarify. Not giving references does not make it a straw man. You still don't seem to understand what a straw man fallacy is.

 

Atestring, you posted a comment in an ongoing discussion that was a straw man fallacy. I merely called it for what it was. I did not call you any names; I said your argument was a straw man.

That is not a personal remark and it was based on a fact, so I don't think I need to apologize. You took it personally for some reason.

You are now calling me arrogant. I could go on and on about that and demand an apology but I won't because it's not worth the time or energy.

If I offended you, I am sorry.

 

If you take a look at the context of the time of the OT and NT women would be ruled out today in every high school youth ministry. </font>[/QUOTE]I would only point out that there are several instances in the Bible where women served as spiritual and military leaders and seemed to do so with the blessing of God. So, while this may hae been the context of the culture of the time, the context of the Bible itself, taken as a whole, does not necessarily reflect totally the context of the culture. In fact, at times, it seems to go against the culture.

As for my personal opinion, I go back and forth about what I think about this. I was once strongly against the idea. Then, I was once strongly in favor of the idea. And now, I am just not sure what I think.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I used to go back and forth, and then I just took Him at His Word ...

Life is SO MUCH EASIER that way. I don't have to postulate an idea and make scripture fit MY idea(s)...

 

I see nothing wrong with a woman teaching a Sunday School class or a Bible study class. But pastoring a church? NO!

 

I don't make scripture fit my ideas. But I do study to see what the word does and does not say.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Thank you. I did not mean to offend you at all.

 

MasterWalk,
When you posted this reply you made me think.

So here is a few questions.
( Yes or No ) (1.) Is it ok for a woman to teach Sunday School class for the adults (men and women)?
( Yes or No ) (2.) Is it ok for a woman to teach the Wednesday night Bible study class that consist of men and women?
( Yes or No ) (3.) Is it ok for a woman (if she holds a ministry license) to preach behind the pulpit during a regular Sunday (morning or night) church service. Take into consideration that she is not pastoring the church but only serving for one service. (guest speaker sort of thing)

 

We know that there was at least one female deacon and that there was one female apostle (Phoebe and Junia), both receiving God's blessing. II John is written to the leader of the church, who is, a lady (whose name we don't know.) Women are encouraged to pray and prophesy in the assembly in I Corinthians 12. We know that in Christ there is no male or female. We also know that Eve was created as Adam's equal (helpmeet in Hebrew has the connotation of equal.)

When we have a contradiction such as this, the hard part is figuring out which side to be on. I think the easiest way to understand this issue is that there were some churches where women were trying to take over, and Paul had to instruct young preachers like Titus and Timothy to tell them to basically sit down and shut up. Anyone who has heard Beth Moore or Anne Graham Lotz recognizes the Spirit in these ladies and the gift they have to preach.

 

Christians for Biblical Equality : Statement on men, women and biblical equality
The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood : The Danver's Statement

These two groups and their statements represent the spectrum of evangelical views on women in ministry. I believe both have some valuable scriptural contributions to make to revealing God's intent for our application of the passages commonly discussed in Paul's letters regarding this issue.

 

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So here is a few questions.
( Yes or No ) (1.) Is it ok for a woman to teach Sunday School class for the adults (men and women)?
( Yes or No ) (2.) Is it ok for a woman to teach the Wednesday night Bible study class that consist of men and women?
( Yes or No ) (3.) Is it ok for a woman (if she holds a ministry license) to preach behind the pulpit during a regular Sunday (morning or night) church service. Take into consideration that she is not pastoring the church but only serving for one service. (guest speaker sort of thing)
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