Women in pants

[Mexdeaf]

I don't really understand how this indicates whether something is in fact right or wrong. I don't think our barometer on biblical stances should be if other people decide to change their minds, regardless of how many do.


Personally I don't have a problem with a woman wearing pants, although I do respect those that hold to that view and even feel that in some cases that the spirit of 1 Cor 8: 9-13 does and should apply.

My point is that most peoples' "convictions" change over time as they grow in Christ. They learn to investigate what the Bible says for themselves rather than swallow whatever the current 'hobby horse' of their pastor, church, or fellowship group is.

I also respect those who hold to certain personal standards, just as Paul commanded in Romans 14 and 1 Cor 8, but I do not allow anyone to 'lord it' over me and my family's life because I do not toe their line. I have one Lord and it is Him I answer to- in fact we ALL will answer to. If we would stop 'judging another man's servant', it certainly would make an impact in the church and world at large.

 

[Mexdeaf]

To think, back in the 50's a woman asked me if it was ok for her to come to church without a hat.............:laugh:

Cheers,

Jim

When I was a child we attended the 'Church of the Brethren' where all the women wore little lace caps in church. I had forgotten that until you brought it up.

 

[Steven2006]

My point is that most peoples' "convictions" change over time as they grow in Christ. They learn to investigate what the Bible says for themselves rather than swallow whatever the current 'hobby horse' of their pastor, church, or fellowship group is.

I also respect those who hold to certain personal standards, just as Paul commanded in Romans 14 and 1 Cor 8, but I do not allow anyone to 'lord it' over me and my family's life because I do not toe their line. I have one Lord and it is Him I answer to- in fact we ALL will answer to. If we would stop 'judging another man's servant', it certainly would make an impact in the church and world at large.

I agree with that.

 

[Steven2006]

When I was a child we attended the 'Church of the Brethren' where all the women wore little lace caps in church. I had forgotten that until you brought it up.

When I was very little and we visited my Grandparents church the men and women sat on different sides of the church for the service. Times do change the way cultures view "standards"

 

[Salamander]

Regular daily NOT IN CHURCH

Don't take this wrong, ok? But why is it a dress is good for church but not for the lost world to see the dedication to the Lord one has outaside of those four walls?

I know we can never make a second first impression.

 

[Salamander]

To think, back in the 50's a woman asked me if it was ok for her to come to church without a hat.............:laugh:

Cheers,

Jim

Um, for some one of your antiquity, I'd think you'd know the differences between what a hat covers and what a modest dress covers.:tonofbricks:

 

[Salamander]

My point is that most peoples' "convictions" change over time as they grow in Christ. They learn to investigate what the Bible says for themselves rather than swallow whatever the current 'hobby horse' of their pastor, church, or fellowship group is.

What you're establishing is how one first responds to the workings of God in their lives as they living according to that "first love" they have for the Saviour, then how many turn back to carnality and the world.

If that's "growth", then it is backward.

The accusation of the "hobby horse" tells volumes about people.

I also respect those who hold to certain personal standards, just as Paul commanded in Romans 14 and 1 Cor 8, but I do not allow anyone to 'lord it' over me and my family's life because I do not toe their line. I have one Lord and it is Him I answer to- in fact we ALL will answer to. If we would stop 'judging another man's servant', it certainly would make an impact in the church and world at large.

Oh, so by YOUR standard, the Lord has a multiplicity of standards and each to ones liking.:sleep:

The only "impact" the church would make by that ideal is to fall dangerously close to being of the world and not just in it.

Revival starts with a call back to the word of God and then advances towards a holiness unto the Lord. It begins when God's people separate from the world's view of things and is sanctified towards God and by God. Then the church has an IMPACT on the world because it is then reproved for sin and unrighteousness.

Preaching standards, BIBLE standards, especially where modesty is concerned, isn't JUDGING anyone. It is presenting the implications of a separated life from the world and unto the Lord.

Judgment must first begin at the house of the Lord, not to condemn others, but to conform others to what God expects of His people.

I think you're trying to justify your ideals by condemning others by the accusation as if anyone has judged another.

Clothes don't make the person, so judging ones clothes does not judge them either. What the clothes do indicate is the outward impression one is willing to make upon others as they are concerned for what they think about them and what the Lord is doing in their lives.:godisgood:

 

[abcgrad94]

I wear both dresses and pants to church, depending on my mood and the weather. I find nothing wrong with either, as long as it's modest. I also wear slacks to weddings and funerals and women's conferences, because that's what I'm comforable in.

 

[Salamander]

When I was very little and we visited my Grandparents church the men and women sat on different sides of the church for the service. Times do change the way cultures view "standards"

And this world's culture has advanced into the church.

50 years ago what was the ratio of church members divorced to never divorced? Immodesty in dress is not only an implication of carnality expressed by this area of the church going amiss, but is also a major contributor to why one is drawn away of their own lusts and enticed into sin. Adultery begins with lust having opportunity to be placed into action.

Bless the Lord the day many here would learn this principle.:godisgood:

 

[Salamander]

I wear both dresses and pants to church, depending on my mood and the weather. I find nothing wrong with either, as long as it's modest. I also wear slacks to weddings and funerals and women's conferences, because that's what I'm comforable in.

Ah, yes, the comfort zone is revealed.

I don't ever wear dresses, modest or immodest!:smilewinkgrin:

 

[abcgrad94]

Ah, yes, the comfort zone is revealed.

I don't ever wear dresses, modest or immodest!:smilewinkgrin:

I'd be worried if you did!

You know what's funny? I was once on a board where dresses-only women still couldn't seem to figure out what was better to wear. They were discussing whether or not to wear jumpers, as those provided even more coverage for the female figure, and how many layers to wear UNDER their dresses and what type of fabric it should be made of.

I'm so glad God cares more about my heart than about my clothes. Worrying about all that would completely take my mind off God and onto myself and other people's opinions of my spirituality. Whew.

 

[annsni]

Don't take this wrong, ok? But why is it a dress is good for church but not for the lost world to see the dedication to the Lord one has outaside of those four walls?

I know we can never make a second first impression.

I can answer this myself.

In my community, you'd seriously look like a freak in your Sunday best all the time. Traditionally, people didn't wear their "Sunday best" during the week because of working and stuff. If I wore my best each day of the week:

1) My dry cleaning bill would be astronomical
2) As would my wardrobe bill
3) I could not ride a horse
4) Would not get into my shower and scrub it with a scrub-brush
5) I could not do gardening
6) My entire family would think I went off the deep end

Instead, I have my barn clothes, my garden clothes, my "everyday" clothes that I can do my chores in, my "nice" everyday clothes that I tend to wear out of the house into the public, nice "date" clothes (DH and I don't go out for fancy dinners but these might be a slight step up from the nice everyday clothes) and then my Sunday clothes. Most of my barn and garden clothes were either garage sale finds or demotions from "everyday" clothes. The other clothes are all purchased for those purposes and can be multi-use (I have some nice tops that I pair with jeans for nice date night, or else with dress pants or skirts for Sunday clothes or the rare fancy date). But to always wear my Sunday best would be pretty dumb, IMO.

 

[Jim1999]

If you want to have a panic attack on women wearing trousers, you should try filling in as pastor at a summer resort.......Trousers would look classical!

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Mexdeaf]

What you're establishing is how one first responds to the workings of God in their lives as they living according to that "first love" they have for the Saviour, then how many turn back to carnality and the world.

If that's "growth", then it is backward.

The accusation of the "hobby horse" tells volumes about people.

Oh, so by YOUR standard, the Lord has a multiplicity of standards and each to ones liking.:sleep:

The only "impact" the church would make by that ideal is to fall dangerously close to being of the world and not just in it.

Revival starts with a call back to the word of God and then advances towards a holiness unto the Lord. It begins when God's people separate from the world's view of things and is sanctified towards God and by God. Then the church has an IMPACT on the world because it is then reproved for sin and unrighteousness.

Preaching standards, BIBLE standards, especially where modesty is concerned, isn't JUDGING anyone. It is presenting the implications of a separated life from the world and unto the Lord.

Judgment must first begin at the house of the Lord, not to condemn others, but to conform others to what God expects of His people.

I think you're trying to justify your ideals by condemning others by the accusation as if anyone has judged another.

Clothes don't make the person, so judging ones clothes does not judge them either. What the clothes do indicate is the outward impression one is willing to make upon others as they are concerned for what they think about them and what the Lord is doing in their lives.:godisgood:

Your argument is not with me but rather with God's Word. I will leave it at that.

 

[Dale-c]

Originally Posted by Salamander
So are you calling all women who wear dresses to church "legalists"?

Did you ever see me say that?
For what it is worth, my wife wears dresses to church.

Women who wear dresses to church are not legalists.
Women or men who demand a dress code as a requirement that goes beyond the text of the scripture are legalists.

Oh, and by the way, the amish are legalists.

 

[gb93433]

Oh, and by the way, the amish are legalists.

Not all are. Some are promiscuous. Some do not want modern conveniences such as TV because they believe that it destroys family relationships.

 

[Salamander]

I'd be worried if you did!

You know what's funny? I was once on a board where dresses-only women still couldn't seem to figure out what was better to wear. They were discussing whether or not to wear jumpers, as those provided even more coverage for the female figure, and how many layers to wear UNDER their dresses and what type of fabric it should be made of.

I'm so glad God cares more about my heart than about my clothes. Worrying about all that would completely take my mind off God and onto myself and other people's opinions of my spirituality. Whew.

Yes, but that's the whole point: people are to see our good works and thereby glorify our Father which is in heaven. It's all part of lifting him up so all men might be drawn unto him.

I don't care what other church members think about my spirituality,they're supposed to love me unconditionally, not judge me. But it's what the lost world thinks is what REALLY matters.:thumbs:

 

[Salamander]

I can answer this myself.

In my community, you'd seriously look like a freak in your Sunday best all the time. Traditionally, people didn't wear their "Sunday best" during the week because of working and stuff. If I wore my best each day of the week:

1) My dry cleaning bill would be astronomical
2) As would my wardrobe bill
3) I could not ride a horse
4) Would not get into my shower and scrub it with a scrub-brush
5) I could not do gardening
6) My entire family would think I went off the deep end

When did this turn into "my best" instead of women wearing pants?:tongue3:

Instead, I have my barn clothes, my garden clothes, my "everyday" clothes that I can do my chores in, my "nice" everyday clothes that I tend to wear out of the house into the public, nice "date" clothes (DH and I don't go out for fancy dinners but these might be a slight step up from the nice everyday clothes) and then my Sunday clothes. Most of my barn and garden clothes were either garage sale finds or demotions from "everyday" clothes. The other clothes are all purchased for those purposes and can be multi-use (I have some nice tops that I pair with jeans for nice date night, or else with dress pants or skirts for Sunday clothes or the rare fancy date). But to always wear my Sunday best would be pretty dumb, IMO.

But what about my wife and daughter, and others, who know it is a good testimony to wear nothing but dresses? Of course dress acordingly and not always Sunday's best.

What we see is here even in the "Bible Belt" is the attention they get and the recognition of the separation they demand by their attire as being associated with some church. That association to some church has a better indication of their being a Christian than the time it would take for some one to investigate them and look for other evidences.:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Salamander]

If you want to have a panic attack on women wearing trousers, you should try filling in as pastor at a summer resort.......Trousers would look classical!

Cheers,

Jim

And many women would either get mad at the very things I've said in this thread or be embarrased.:saint:

 

[Salamander]

Your argument is not with me but rather with God's Word. I will leave it at that.

I have no other arguement, especially against the word of God as you'd love to imply, no matter how erroneous your slanted attack against my person might be.

Provide clear proof of your accusation. I'm sure to make you look rather silly, as usual.:tongue3: