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Women Pastors?

easternstar

Active Member
I find that Christians are most legalistic on the subject of legalism, and do whatever they want, else where.
I haven't found that.

I know of a young woman from the streets who came to Jesus. She wanted to go to church and found a Pentecostal church. She wanted to look her best. She wore jewelry she had in her previous life, painted her fingernails, had her hair cut and styled, dressed up, and went to church. They met her at the door and told her she couldn't come in there like that. It hit her hard. She got very depressed and stopped looking for a church, eventually went back to her old life. But the story has a happy ending. Some true Christians were able to bring her back into the fold, and welcomed her into their church, a church without all the legalistic, man-made restrictions that she faced before from so-called Christians.

Gandhi said he would have been a Christian if it weren't for Christians.
 

Ben1445

Well-Known Member
I haven't found that.

I know of a young woman from the streets who came to Jesus. She wanted to go to church and found a Pentecostal church. She wanted to look her best. She wore jewelry she had in her previous life, painted her fingernails, had her hair cut and styled, dressed up, and went to church. They met her at the door and told her she couldn't come in there like that. It hit her hard. She got very depressed and stopped looking for a church, eventually went back to her old life. But the story has a happy ending. Some true Christians were able to bring her back into the fold, and welcomed her into their church, a church without all the legalistic, man-made restrictions that she faced before from so-called Christians.
It is unfortunate that people don’t know how to treat others.
Gandhi said he would have been a Christian if it weren't for Christians.
Gandhi was focused on following the wrong people. By your statement, he was a legalist who thought he could do better than Christians. What he failed to realize is that he is guilty of the same thing he disliked about Christians. (I say this, assuming that the quote you presented is in context with the conversation)
We are supposed to be followers of Christ, not followers of the followers of Christ.
When Paul said follow me as I follow Christ, the people he spoke to must necessarily know Christ to be able to discern that Paul was following Christ. It is a legalistic error to say that you don’t want to be a Christian because you don’t like the way Christians are. In that way, by condemning legalism, you become as self centered as the people you are accusing of legalism. Both sides of the argument tend to be focused on their own agenda rather than the needs of the other.
A barber doesn’t say, I can’t have you as a customer unless you come in with a respectable haircut.
We are to receive a brother but not receive them into doubtful disputations.
It amazes me that people want deference for themselves, but give none to the people they want it from.
 

easternstar

Active Member
It is unfortunate that people don’t know how to treat others.

Gandhi was focused on following the wrong people. By your statement, he was a legalist who thought he could do better than Christians. What he failed to realize is that he is guilty of the same thing he disliked about Christians. (I say this, assuming that the quote you presented is in context with the conversation)
We are supposed to be followers of Christ, not followers of the followers of Christ.
When Paul said follow me as I follow Christ, the people he spoke to must necessarily know Christ to be able to discern that Paul was following Christ. It is a legalistic error to say that you don’t want to be a Christian because you don’t like the way Christians are. In that way, by condemning legalism, you become as self centered as the people you are accusing of legalism. Both sides of the argument tend to be focused on their own agenda rather than the needs of the other.
A barber doesn’t say, I can’t have you as a customer unless you come in with a respectable haircut.
We are to receive a brother but not receive them into doubtful disputations.
It amazes me that people want deference for themselves, but give none to the people they want it from.
I suggest that you look up the circumstance behind what Gandhi said.
 

easternstar

Active Member
Why not tell us???
"As the story is told, Gandhi, who was a practicing Hindu, found Jesus intriguing. He read the Gospels and wanted to know more about Christ. On a Sunday morning he stopped by a Christian church in Calcutta where he was turned away. Since he was not part of the high-caste Indians nor a white person, he was turned away at the door of the church. Unwelcomed. This incidence formed the basis for his quote, “If it weren’t for Christians, I’d be a Christian.”
 

Charlie24

Well-Known Member
"As the story is told, Gandhi, who was a practicing Hindu, found Jesus intriguing. He read the Gospels and wanted to know more about Christ. On a Sunday morning he stopped by a Christian church in Calcutta where he was turned away. Since he was not part of the high-caste Indians nor a white person, he was turned away at the door of the church. Unwelcomed. This incidence formed the basis for his quote, “If it weren’t for Christians, I’d be a Christian.”

I hope he wasn't relying on that experience and quote to save him on judgment day.
 

Ascetic X

Active Member
I hope he wasn't relying on that experience and quote to save him on judgment day.
Gandhi said he liked the gospels. When a racist church turned him away, I wish he would have started his own New Testament Bible study. Gandhi was heavily influenced by the extreme pacifism of the Jain faith. So his anti-militaristic, non-violence perspective on the Prince of Peace, who commanded us to turn the other cheek, could have been very beneficial.
 

timf

Member
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

It may be in the nature of women to be supportive that they are also more vulnerable to deception.
 

Ben1445

Well-Known Member
"As the story is told, Gandhi, who was a practicing Hindu, found Jesus intriguing. He read the Gospels and wanted to know more about Christ. On a Sunday morning he stopped by a Christian church in Calcutta where he was turned away. Since he was not part of the high-caste Indians nor a white person, he was turned away at the door of the church. Unwelcomed. This incidence formed the basis for his quote, “If it weren’t for Christians, I’d be a Christian.”
Yep. I haven’t changed my mind.
Hebrews 13:13
Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

I’m not saying that the church was right. But he let the action of people keep him from Christ. It would be one thing if he came to the point where he met Christ and decided that he didn’t want Him. But he had some curiosity and allowed it to be choked out by his opinion of how Christians behave.
Shame on that church. But he was from that culture. He couldn’t have expected it?? He didn’t know it would happen? He bears the consequences of his own choice. And yes. It is legalistic for him to decide that another’s behavior doesn’t meet his own standards.
 

easternstar

Active Member
Yep. I haven’t changed my mind.
Hebrews 13:13
Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

I’m not saying that the church was right. But he let the action of people keep him from Christ. It would be one thing if he came to the point where he met Christ and decided that he didn’t want Him. But he had some curiosity and allowed it to be choked out by his opinion of how Christians behave.
Shame on that church. But he was from that culture. He couldn’t have expected it?? He didn’t know it would happen? He bears the consequences of his own choice. And yes. It is legalistic for him to decide that another’s behavior doesn’t meet his own standards.
I guess we see legalism differently.
 

Reynolds

Well-Known Member
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As a Christian, I would suggest not trying to find the edge of the line.
I don’t know what the value of having the longest hair you can (for men, and vice versa for women).
I don’t know how telling my Savior that I came as close to challenging His standards as I could, will be something that anyone wants to do.
I have had military haircut ever since My wife met me. She had never seen me with long hair. Someone showed her a picture of me when I worked undercover narcotics and had very long hair. She wants me to grow my hair out. I don’t see that as flirting with sin in the least bit.
 

Ben1445

Well-Known Member
I have had military haircut ever since My wife met me. She had never seen me with long hair. Someone showed her a picture of me when I worked undercover narcotics and had very long hair. She wants me to grow my hair out. I don’t see that as flirting with sin in the least bit.
I don’t know what your undercover picture looks like. I still don’t have any idea of your context. Nor do I really care. I’m not your Master. You don’t answer to me.

But since you mentioned it, Eve had something she wanted her husband to try. That didn’t sanitize it.
 
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