Women Pastors

[Artimaeus]

12 Tribes of Israel (Jacob's sons)...all men. It sure wasn't because there weren't women better than some of them.

12 Disciples...all men. It sure wasn't because there weren't women better than some of them. Think Judas.

NT chruches' Pastors...all men. It sure wasn't because there weren't women better than some of them.

Modern churches' Pastors...all men. It sure isn't because there aren't women better than some of them.

God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit set things up the way they wanted to and it sure wasn't because they were bending to the culture of the times.

 

[DeclareHim]

I don't think women can be a pastor.

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by DeclareHim:
I don't think women can be a pastor.

Of course women can be pastors. But should they is a different question. I believe women taking leadership positions that men should have tells a lot about the men in that church.

One time I had a woman call me and ask if I was interested in their church. I was and told her that. The next time she called I could hear her husband in the background. he asked if I visited the people. I told her I did. She said, "Good, because the men in the church are so busy that they don't have time to visit." I began to tell her that they were busier than God intended them to be. I also told her that when I was in secular employment I was a manager and still found time to visit. At the end of conversation I told her I was no longer interested, She came back reminding me of how I told her earlier that I was interested.

I am of the opinion that the pastor is not there to do their ministry. I believe that churches that will not work do not need a pastor but a mortician available.

 

[Artimaeus]

Originally posted by gb93433:
I believe that churches that will not work do not need a pastor but a mortician available.

and

 

[LauraB]

If your a Fundamentalist then you will believe what the Bible says about it. The role of preaching, Pastoring are reserved for men.

Although there is a place in ministry for women. We can witness, do missionary work etc.. but leave the Pastoring to the Men. The day a woman comes in my church to preach will be the day I look for a new church!

 

[Abdiel]

I agree that God has reserved the role of pastor for men. However, I also saw in Romans that Phoebe was a deacon. What about women as deacons/deaconesses?

The Greek word "deakonos" is the same for Phoebe as it is for 1 Timothy 3.

Thanks.

 

[gb93433]

In the early church women served as deaconesses. They dealt with other women and children. It is my understanding that a pastor never dealt with a woman in the congregation but a deaconess did. A pastor would talk with a deacon and the deacon talked with the deaconess who talked with the woman.

There is plenty of evidence that the early church utilized women in ministry. There were women whose responsibility was to work with other women and children. They performed pastoral work with the sick and the poor and helped at baptism. From the earliest times deaconesses visited the sick, acted as door-keepers at the women's entrance to the church, kept order among church women, taught females in preparation for baptism and acted as sponsors for homeless children. They also carried official messages. There was a clearer line drawn between the sexes than there is today. Women deacons were not on the same level as men deacons. They could not teach and minister to mixed groups of people or men, and they were not ordained.

For the first 1200 years of Christianity there is loads of evidence of woman deacons in the church. However, the Western Roman Catholic church never had them. Whereas the eastern church did

Almost every country outside of the U.S. has deaconsesses in Baptist churches.

The emergence of deaconesses is unclear. But in the third and fourth centuries the office deaconess developed greatly. In a letter dated 112 A.D. Governor Pliny wrote a letter to the emperor Trajan. 'In it he mentions a couple of deaconesses. (Book X, XCVI, 8, 289)

 

[go2church]

Helped with the children and homeless children sponsors? What verse? Women deacons not on the same level as men deacons? Paul didn't seem to think so! They could not teach...don't tell Apollos!

BTW the way there is not word deaconess, there is only deacon which means servant. The language does not seprerate between women and men...servant is servant women or man. Paul used unique (read made-up) wording to show he was trying to talk about a women.

It is my understanding that a pastor never dealt with a woman in the congregation but a deaconess did. A pastor would talk with a deacon and the deacon talked with the deaconess who talked with the woman.

Then your understanding would be wrong

 

[Debby in Philly]

We had a Bible college trained woman in our church who for many years taught the adult Sunday School Class, which met in the sanctuary. She always used to say that it was a curious thing that she could preach in that room at 9:30 Sunday morning, but not at 10:30. Sounds rather silly when you describe it that way.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by DeclareHim:
I was wondering if anyone on here believed women can be pastors.

In other Christian denominations, yes. In Baptist congregations, generally, no.

Or what your general thoughts were on them.

Scripturally, there are some verses that may impliy a ban on women as pastors, depending on how one interprets them. Baptists have generally interpreted those verses to imply that women should not serve as pastors. As a baptist, I'm required to adhere to the interpretational position of the SBC, which is no women pastors.

 

[delly]

NO. Women should not hold authority over men in the church.

 

[go2church]

As a baptist, I'm required to adhere to the interpretational position of the SBC, which is no women pastors.

Uh! You can be baptist without adhering to ANYTHING the SBC (thank the Lord!) Do you mean as a Southern Baptist I'm required to the....?

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by go2church:
Helped with the children and homeless children sponsors? What verse? Women deacons not on the same level as men deacons? Paul didn't seem to think so! They could not teach...don't tell Apollos!

BTW the way there is not word deaconess, there is only deacon which means servant. The language does not seprerate between women and men...servant is servant women or man. Paul used unique (read made-up) wording to show he was trying to talk about a women.

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />It is my understanding that a pastor never dealt with a woman in the congregation but a deaconess did. A pastor would talk with a deacon and the deacon talked with the deaconess who talked with the woman.

Then your understanding would be wrong </font>[/QUOTE]There is not a word for toilet either. Does that invalidate your excuse for using one? You obviously have not taken a look at any of the documentation I gave you. Furthermore you have given zero to support your idea. Just American nonsense.

In some countries today a pastor never deals with a woman, another deaconess does. I never stated that a woman was on the same level as a deacon. If you will read the first paragraph I wrote you will see the line of authority. You obviously did not read what I stated and drew your own biased conclusion before you read anything, "Women deacons were not on the same level as men deacons. They could not teach and minister to mixed groups of people or men, and they were not ordained."

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by Johnv:
As a baptist, I'm required to adhere to the interpretational position of the SBC, which is no women pastors.

I believe scripture teaches that women should not be pastors. But have you ever looked at how much SBC theology has changed over the years. If you take a look at SBC history you might be quite surprised. The SBC started over the issue of supporting the stealing of men and women. They supported slavery. The north did not.

 

[I Am Blessed 24]

I don't believe women should have authority over/or teach men in church.

Outside the church however - Pricilla and Aquilla might have something to say about THAT subject...

 

[Daniel David]

Yeah Sue, they would say that they taught Apollos together.

 

[blackbird]

No! 'Fraid not! Pris would have said, "Aquilla taught Apollos! And I helped!"

 

[I Am Blessed 24]

lol Blackbird. You sound like a commercial for 'Shake 'n' Bake'.

 

[Abdiel]

gb 93433, I appreciate your response, and I am inclined to say that a servant is a servant (deakonos = deakonos). I am SBC, but I do not feel "required to" believe in male-only deacons.

Also, yours was an intelligent response, but please don't generalize by saying "just American nonsense". I am an American who thinks and speaks freely with intelligence gained through public education in the USA. Thanks!

 

[GospelTrucker]

1 Tim. 3:2 says "A Bishop must then be blameless, The HUSBAND of one WIFE"...
That means the Pastor must not only be a man but can't have been divorced.