Women teaching men in the church

[The Biblicist]

God is not the author of confusion. In regard to men and women he wants them to have a distinct appearance of being a male or female. He has distinct roles for them in the home and the church that is different.

1. All prohibitions placed on women in regard to either the home or the church are NEVER based on culture but on God's design in creation - pre-cultural. (1 Cor. 11:3,5-6; 14:34-35; 1 Tim. 2:11-15.

2. God's creative design is to pattern the relationship between Christ and His bride - Eph. 5:22-31.

3. Only when the male is disobedient or the culture is perverse does God implement women in the roles He has assigned for men - Isa. 3:11 (Deborah versus Barak; etc..).

4. Examples to the contrary are not valid as the Bible contains examples to everything contrary to God's revealed will.

5. It is absurd to think that the roles of men and women given them by God in the home is automatically reversed when they walk through the door of the church building - Eph. 5:22-25,30-31; etc.

6. Such roles have NOTHING to do with superiority of person but superiority of position even within the Godhead (1 Cor. 11:3).

7. Equality in salvation (neither Jew, Gentile, or bond or free, or female or male) is not applicable to creational design or order in home and in the church.

8. If the woman wants to throw off, reject and rebel against her creational design or position assigned by God then so should children throw off, rebel and reject the creational design, or position in relationship to mother and dad as it is commanded on the VERY SAME BASIS.

9. All such submission, whether it is by humans to government, the woman to the man, or the children to parents is always carefully restricted to what is consistent "IN CHRIST" as directly applied to Christ's own position of submission to the Father - 1 Cor. 3:11

 

[evangelist6589]

Mark 16:15 does not limit women to street evangelism. You are adding to what it says by declaring limitations that are not there.

I never said that. They can do street evangelism.

 

[evangelist6589]

Titus 2:4-5 NAS77
4 that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be dishonored.
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Nothing there about street preaching. Hmmm.

1 Timothy 5:14 NAS77
14 Therefore, I want younger widows to get married, bear children, keep house, and give the enemy no occasion for reproach;​

Nothing there about street preaching. Hmmm.

Proverbs 31:10-27 NAS77
10 An excellent wife, who can find? For her worth is far above jewels.
11 The heart of her husband trusts in her, And he will have no lack of gain.
12 She does him good and not evil All the days of her life.
13 She looks for wool and flax, And works with her hands in delight.
14 She is like merchant ships; She brings her food from afar.
15 She rises also while it is still night, And gives food to her household, And portions to her maidens.
16 She considers a field and buys it; From her earnings she plants a vineyard.
17 She girds herself with strength, And makes her arms strong.
18 She senses that her gain is good; Her lamp does not go out at night.
19 She stretches out her hands to the distaff, And her hands grasp the spindle.
20 She extends her hand to the poor; And she stretches out her hands to the needy.
21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household, For all her household are clothed with scarlet.
22 She makes coverings for herself; Her clothing is fine linen and purple.
23 Her husband is known in the gates, When he sits among the elders of the land.
24 She makes linen garments and sells them, And supplies belts to the tradesmen.
25 Strength and dignity are her clothing, And she smiles at the future.
26 She opens her mouth in wisdom, And the teaching of kindness is on her tongue.
27 She looks well to the ways of her household, And does not eat the bread of idleness.​

Nothing there about street preaching. Hmmm.

Acts 18:24-26 NAS77
24 Now a certain Jew named Apollos, an Alexandrian by birth, an eloquent man, came to Ephesus; and he was mighty in the Scriptures.
25 This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he was speaking and teaching accurately the things concerning Jesus, being acquainted only with the baptism of John;
26 and he began to speak out boldly in the synagogue. But when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.​

No street preaching here either but a husband and wife teaching, correcting and reproving in the synagogue. Somebody should've told Priscilla to shut up and let Aquila do all the talking

God can greatly use women and I am thankful for them. He wants women to be out on the streets witnessing.

Okay I made an error. God can use women on the streets, but their primary role should be in the home. Agreed.

 

[Rolfe]

I never said that. They can do street evangelism.

You said, to quote:

It does not say she cannot be a street preacher for she can, but she cannot be a pastor or SS teacher.

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He wants women to be out on the streets witnessing.

 

[evangelist6589]

You said, to quote:

Okay I made an error. Their primary role is in the home.

 

[padredurand]

Okay I made an error. God can use women on the streets, but their primary role should be in the home. Agreed.

God can use women on the streets? You're the only one saying this. Would you send your wife out alone?

Priscilla taught along side her husband in the synagogue . She was under his authority - not usurping it - and teaching a man. Neither her ability nor her authority to teach the things of God did not end in the parking lot.

 

[evangelist6589]

God can use women on the streets? You're the only one saying this. Would you send your wife out alone?

Priscilla taught along side her husband in the synagogue . She was under his authority - not usurping it - and teaching a man. Neither her ability nor her authority to teach the things of God did not end in the parking lot.

We do not have synagogue's in modern america. Also there was no parking lots in the ANE. I think you are stretching the scripture a little.

 

[Rolfe]

God can use women on the streets? You're the only one saying this. Would you send your wife out alone?

Priscilla taught along side her husband in the synagogue . She was under his authority - not usurping it - and teaching a man. Neither her ability nor her authority to teach the things of God did not end in the parking lot.

:thumbs::thumbs:

 

[Rolfe]

We do not have synagogue's in modern america.

Sure we do. There's one in my town.

 

[padredurand]

We do not have synagogue's in modern america. Also there was no parking lots in the ANE. I think you are stretching the scripture a little.

Really? No parking lots? I don't have to explain myself there do I?

They didn't have a First Baptist Church either. Read the text. They were preaching Jesus in the synagogue.

Acts 18:24-25 NAS77
24 Now a certain Jew named Apollos, an Alexandrian by birth, an eloquent man, came to Ephesus; and he was mighty in the Scriptures.
25 This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he was speaking and teaching accurately the things concerning Jesus, being acquainted only with the baptism of John;


Aquila AND Priscilla were correcting the error of Apollos' message. Synagogue means assembly. They were teaching in the place of assembly.

 

[evangelist6589]

Sure we do. There's one in my town.

They are for Jews and not for Gentiles.

 

[Rolfe]

We do not have synagogue's in modern america.

Sure we do. There's one in my town.

They are for Jews and not for Gentiles.

What does that have to do with anything? Are there no Jews in America?

 

[quantumfaith]

Perhaps we should start some threads like:

men who cannot spiritually lead their own households
men who blame their wives for their lack of money management
men who waste time on the internet when they should be working to earn money
drama kings

Or my favorite: "how to starve attention-seeking trolls"

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[John of Japan]

May I suggest that wherever you got your Greek definitions is all wet? No lexicon will give any of these definitions.

However, you go much too far in excluding women from teaching when under the authority of someone who Paul would authorize to teach, such as the pastor or the woman's husband, for example When Paul uses the word "allow" in v. 12, it is the Greek epitrepo, which means primarily to "turn to," or "instruct." In other words, Paul does not instruct a woman to teach. He doesn't command them to do so. He doesn't bar them from all types of teaching, and in he does not "instruct" them to exercise authority over men -- as epitrepo is used by Paul to cover both circumstances of "to teach" and "to exercise authority."

The word epitrepo occurs 18 time in the NT, and every other time means "to allow, permit." It never means "turn to," or "instruct." So in Timothy it also means "permit."

Interesting word authenteo, the Greek translated "exercise." It literally means "one who with his own hands kills another or himself." In the figurative, it would mean to give one person absolute power in a certain area of another's life. Such is the church leadership's power over the congregant or member. Of course, one not satisfied or in disagreement with the result of that power can leave. Still, as Paul goes on to explain his reasoning, that Adam sinned by Eve was deceived, it is obvious he does not want the gospel placed in the hands of a woman without clear authority to present it to others.

The word authenteo is a hapax legomena, meaning it only occurs here in the NT. However, the meaning is clear. No lexicon will give the meaning of "to kill." It may be that your source for this is reasoning from the etymology. (My reference books are all on a ship on the way to the States, so I can't check this.) If that be so, then that is what linguists call the root fallacy. Words carry meaning according to their contemporary usage, not according to their original meaning (sometimes hundreds of years previously).

We draw that conclusion from the use of the word didasko for "teach." It is used in the New Testament mainly to convey the idea of a very careful transmission of the truth concerning Jesus Christ, the authoritative proclamation of God’s will to believers in light of that teaching, and the way by which one must be empowered to appropriate His saving grace. Though the occurrence of the word is sometimes giving a broader spectrum of the meaning of "teach," here (and usually) it is to describe the general ministry of edification only by those gifted to teach, that takes place in various ways -- for example, through teaching, singing, praying, reading Scripture as in Colossians 3:16. We can see this is the following verses.

The word didasko has no special meaning of "careful transmission." It is simply the normal Greek word for "to teach," occurring 91 times in the NT. True, it is used of good teaching in many passages, but it is also used of heretical teaching (Rev. 2:14, 20). Any 1st century secular Greek tutor of children would use the word.

You're a smart man. If you have the spare time I suggest you take a Greek class online. It would help you discern such errors. Alternatively, there is Vine's Expository Dictionary or the Englishman's Greek NT.