Word must have gotten around

[AVL1984]

Also let me add...Cloud has yet to prove any of his assertions. Sort of tickles me that he goes against the Bible in his attacks on users of MV's. The principle of "leave him alone...he that gathers with us is for us, and he who scatters is against us". Wish he'd practice what the Bible says in whole, not just in part.

 

[Johnv]

Updated November 24, 2004 (first published August 11, 2004) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service

David Cloud is NOT a fundamentalist. Since KJVOism adds doctrine to scripture, it is directly contrary to scriptural fundamentals.

 

[av1611jim]

Admittedly there is no proof in Scripture which says "Thou shalt use the KJV at all times if thou art an English speaking gentile."

Conversely, there is ZERO Scriptural support which says, "Thou shalt question every word of God to see if it is in the original autographs."

What I do find time and time again is "Every word of God is pure."

So if EVERY word of God is pure, then it follows He intends for us to HAVE every word. "For man shall not live by bread alone but by every word which proceedeth from the mouth of God".

Please show me where I can find a copy of this Book. Since I want my life to be "scripturally centered", I would surely appreciate you modern scribes if you would point me to the (any) copy which has "Every word of God".

Thanks brothers. This is a sincere request and is not intended as bait. I want "every word of God".
In His service;
Jim

 

[Dogsbody]

Hope you had permission from Cloud to do that, Doggie. He doesn't like people putting his stuff on the net without his written consent.

I thought quitations were ok, but I will cease and desist and apologize to all for my ignorance. Please forgive!

Dog gone.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by av1611jim:

So if EVERY word of God is pure, then it follows He intends for us to HAVE every word. "For man shall not live by bread alone but by every word which proceedeth from the mouth of God".

Once again, depends on your definition of word and also what you think God was talking about when He originally inspired this scripture... in Hebrew.

 

[Plain ol' Ralph]

No, actually, it all depends on God's definition, never even needing any man to defione anything for Him, and since he gave Commandment, inspired the very words that His Word is PURE, then God established the Truth, and yet man still brings His Word, persistently, and to his own demise, into question.

 

[av1611jim]

Originally posted by Scott J:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by av1611jim:

So if EVERY word of God is pure, then it follows He intends for us to HAVE every word. "For man shall not live by bread alone but by every word which proceedeth from the mouth of God".

Once again, depends on your definition of word and also what you think God was talking about when He originally inspired this scripture... in Hebrew. </font>[/QUOTE]-------------------------------------------------

Depends on my definition of "word"? Thank you very much Mr. Clinton!

Seriously...To answer your "rebuttal".
Jesus was talking about the very W..O..R..D..S.. of God. He quoted Deut. I bet you knew that .

So did I. So now, get off your silly "rebuttal" and answer me directly.

I have answered the crazy know-it-all notion that there is no Scripture per.se. that says you must use the KJV. Conversely, there is no Scripture giving anybody a mandate to question every single word of God to "find out the meaning in the origianl". Or even IF it IS in the "origianl".

Can't answer the question huh? Cat got yer tongue? Typical of the "MV sect". When they can't answer the question they bring about all sorts of non-issues to deflect revealing their ignorance.
Sound familiar?

Answer the question. If we must live by EVERY word of God then WHERE is this Book that has EVERY word of God?
In His service;
Jim

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by Plain ol' Ralph:
No, actually, it all depends on God's definition,

That isn't even a good evasion Ralph. The word 'word' has several different dictionary meanings in English as well as all three biblical languages. The definition is largely determined by the context and if the context is literally "individual units of speech" then we can never have God's Word in English because it can never perfectly match the original languages in every degree.

never even needing any man to defione anything for Him,

Then why do you insist on defining His Word in English as only the KJV? Who appointed you to this task?

and since he gave Commandment,

Commandments, as the KJV demonstrates, can be expressed with equal clarity using different words. Thus the KJV itself testifies to the validity of other translations.

inspired the very words that His Word is PURE,

He inspired words through specially chosen and qualified men. The Bible gives those qualifications... the KJV translators weren't qualified to be inspired writers of scripture.

then God established the Truth,

Which is not limited by one set of words to express it in any language.

and yet man still brings His Word, persistently, and to his own demise, into question.

Why do you do that? I don't question whether the KJV is the Word of God. It is. It simply isn't the only valid translation of the only valid text into English... and you have not one iota of scriptural nor historical evidence to demonstrate otherwise.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by av1611jim:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Scott J:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by av1611jim:

So if EVERY word of God is pure, then it follows He intends for us to HAVE every word. "For man shall not live by bread alone but by every word which proceedeth from the mouth of God".

Once again, depends on your definition of word and also what you think God was talking about when He originally inspired this scripture... in Hebrew. </font>[/QUOTE]-------------------------------------------------

Depends on my definition of "word"? Thank you very much Mr. Clinton!

</font>[/QUOTE] Are you really expressing ignorance of the fact that 'word' has different definitions? Follow this link and type in w o r d... www.dictionary.com

Seriously...To answer your "rebuttal".
Jesus was talking about the very W..O..R..D..S.. of God. He quoted Deut. I bet you knew that .

Words as in sayings or words as in a specific set of HEBREW words?

I have answered the crazy know-it-all notion that there is no Scripture per.se. that says you must use the KJV.

No. You haven't. You have evaded.

Conversely, there is no Scripture giving anybody a mandate to question every single word of God to "find out the meaning in the origianl". Or even IF it IS in the "origianl".

Prove all things. Hold to that which is true.

[uqote]Typical of the "MV sect". [/quote] I use the KJV but don't hold false beliefs about it. Its a translation of the Bible. A good one but in no way exclusively qualified to be the Word of God in English.

When they can't answer the question they bring about all sorts of non-issues to deflect revealing their ignorance.

Ignorance? I am not the one who didn't know that 'word' had different meanings.

Answer the question. If we must live by EVERY word of God then WHERE is this Book that has EVERY word of God?

Anywhere the Word God transmitted through the inspired words of the originals is preserved in a form that we can read and understand. Examples: KJV, NKJV, NASB, WEB

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Plain ol' Ralph:
No, actually, it all depends on God's definition, never even needing any man to defione anything for Him, and since he gave Commandment, inspired the very words that His Word is PURE, then God established the Truth, and yet man still brings His Word, persistently, and to his own demise, into question.

None of what you said suports single-translation-onlyism. There is no scriptural support for KJVOism.

If you have scriptural support, please post such. No dissertations, no case study opinions, and no commentary. Just scriptural support please.

This is my 44th request on this board for scriptural support for KJVOism.

 

[av1611jim]

Originally posted by av1611jim:
Admittedly there is no proof in Scripture which says "Thou shalt use the KJV at all times if thou art an English speaking gentile."

Conversely, there is ZERO Scriptural support which says, "Thou shalt question every word of God to see if it is in the original autographs."

What I do find time and time again is "Every word of God is pure."

So if EVERY word of God is pure, then it follows He intends for us to HAVE every word. "For man shall not live by bread alone but by every word which proceedeth from the mouth of God".

Please show me where I can find a copy of this Book. Since I want my life to be "scripturally centered", I would surely appreciate you modern scribes if you would point me to the (any) copy which has "Every word of God".

Thanks brothers. This is a sincere request and is not intended as bait. I want "every word of God".
In His service;
Jim

 

[Phillip]

You guys are nuts: Don't any of you MVer's know INSPIRED WORDS when you see them: Words like:
thou
shalt
thus
unto
ye
hath
Without these, you can't have an inspired book. Don't you guys know ANYTHING?

The only thing I can't figure out is what we did before 1769? Funny, we can't get an answer for that one. Over 10,000 changes, including word changes (not just spelling) between the 1611 and 1769?

Hmmmmmmm.

Want to explain that Word-for-word problem?
Looks like a few generations didn't have the real deal. Then we have the problem of PRE-1611.

Why did we need a KJV if we had a perfect good English version for the 1500 generations, and what was that version that was perfect back then?

Can't answer the question huh? Cat got yer tongue? Typical of the "KJVo sect". When they can't answer the question they bring about all sorts of non-issues to deflect revealing their ignorance.
Sound familiar?

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by av1611jim:
Thanks brothers. This is a sincere request and is not intended as bait. I want "every word of God".
In His service;
Jim

So, Jim, if you know where it is, then show it to us? Although the KJV is a good translation (considering it uses Jacobean English that we no longer read) and with obvious minor lapses in the translation of the KJV and all of the changes made earlier, where is this pure word? Word-for-word perfect? This is not a trap either, a sincere request.

Where is this mythical TR that the KJV was written from. You KJVo folks have already said the NKJV is not correct, but it is an accurate translation of Steven's TR. So, if this isn't the right TR, where is it?

How come, many of the words of the Bishop's Bible appears in the KJV and how come many of the Vulgate passages appear to fill in the blanks. If they were not perfect, did they suddenly become perfect when piece-milled together in 1769? If so, back to the original question. Where was the word-for-word perfect English translation for the generations before that? Answers please?

 

[av1611jim]

Originally posted by Phillip:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by av1611jim:
Thanks brothers. This is a sincere request and is not intended as bait. I want "every word of God".
In His service;
Jim

So, Jim, if you know where it is, then show it to us? Although the KJV is a good translation (considering it uses Jacobean English that we no longer read) and with obvious minor lapses in the translation of the KJV and all of the changes made earlier, where is this pure word? Word-for-word perfect? This is not a trap either, a sincere request.

Where is this mythical TR that the KJV was written from. You KJVo folks have already said the NKJV is not correct, but it is an accurate translation of Steven's TR. So, if this isn't the right TR, where is it?

How come, many of the words of the Bishop's Bible appears in the KJV and how come many of the Vulgate passages appear to fill in the blanks. If they were not perfect, did they suddenly become perfect when piece-milled together in 1769? If so, back to the original question. Where was the word-for-word perfect English translation for the generations before that? Answers please? </font>[/QUOTE]------------------------------------------------

The onus is on you Phillip. Since it is your crowd who proclaims so loudly that we DO NOT have a perfect Bible, I want to know WHERE I can get one. "Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God"

Where is it? Since it is your crowd who pretends to be able to discern what is and is not genuine in the originals, where is it? And why have you NOT PRODUCED it, since OUR version is not as good as it can be, (according to your crowd.)?
In His service;
Jim

 

[Phillip]

How did I know that I wouldn't get an answer? Is it based on asking it over 200 times and getting a circular argument?

Let us ask one question at a time then. Obviously, you think it is the KJV1769 Oxford revision. So, what was it in "say" 1605?

I'm not a betting man, but if I were, the odds would certainly be on me not getting a legitimate answer. And by legimate answer, I mean the "name" of a translation.

Every word that proceeded out of the mouth of God was in Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek. Therefore you can't have every word in English anyway.

 

[Phillip]

The inerrant Words of God can be found in at least these:

KJV
NIV
NKJV
NASB
ASV
ESV

Now, I answered your question. Answer mine.

 

[Dr. Bob]

BTW, the onus of proof is on the side making the allegation (remember, I teach logic).

If one group says ONLY the KJV is the Word of God for English speaking people, then it is there burden to prove this thesis.

If they say the KJV is the Word of God, then there is no debate over translations. I've not met any that would dispute this.

 

[Phillip]

That's "logical" Dr. Bob.

I would almost drive to Casper and buy you a T-Bone steak if we did get an answer. (A REAL ANSWER.)

 

[av1611jim]

Originally posted by Phillip:
The inerrant Words of God can be found in at least these:

KJV
NIV
NKJV
NASB
ASV
ESV

Now, I answered your question. Answer mine.

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In no particular order.(Simply 'cuz my history books are packed away)
Geneva
Tyndale
Bishop's
Coverdale/Matthew's
Wycliff
Luther's
Old Latin
Reina-Valera (1582)
Old Italian

And a host of others. The last four of the list(obviously) were not in the English line.

BTW you flunk the quiz. Teacher asked where is THE Book which has EVERY word of God. You gave me a multiple choice answer. I wanted a SPECIFIC Book, and you know it.

In His service;
Jim

 

[av1611jim]

KJVO's have been avoiding this board for awhile now. Only Ralph seems to want to do a hit-n-run now and again. What happened while I was away? Other KJVO's seem to have quit.

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I guess I like to show the world how wrong you all are!!!

muahahahaha!

Seriously; I have stayed away because of the venom in most of you guy's posts. And I stayed away because I did not like what your attitudes did to my own. I won't be around much anymore. Once in awhile is plenty for me. I can't stomach much of you guys. I just believe your bunch is very, very contentious. Debate is one thing, what many of you do is quite another load of potaotes altogether.
Although, there are a few who are very gracious. C4K, MTA, Pastor Larry, Pastor Bob, Plain old Bill, And maybe a couple others who don't readily come to mind.

Have a good day fellers!
In His service;
Jim