Word of Faith and the Denomination

[JonShaff]

Bread and wine is correct according to the Scriptures, not grape juice and crackers. We got it right, you got nothing!

Greetings! Does Christ live in you? If so, how do you know?

 

[JonShaff]

Your grape juice and crackers mean nothing, they are, well, just plain old grape juice and crackers.

The Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity which is present in a true Holy Eucharist is what makes the elements of bread and wine sacred.

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Bread and wine is correct according to the Scriptures, not grape juice and crackers. We got it right, you got nothing!

First, this is double talk. you tell me that crackers and grape juice are not correct and that wine and bread are what is special. Then you say God's presence is in the elements and that is what makes it special.

Second, this reminds me of the conversation Christ had with the Pharisees. They thought that eating and drinking with unwashed hands (more specifically, eating with hands that touched Gentiles in the market) would cause them to become defiled. YOU think that the presence of God in a piece of bread is going to make you Holy. REPENT! This is a mockery to the Death and Resurrection of My Lord Jesus Christ. This sounds like some Hinduism as well. We Worship God in Spirit and In Truth (John 4:24). "Eating" Jesus is not what He is talking about. God isn't "in the elements". God is Sitting on His Righteous Throne in Heaven!!! His Spirit dwells in the Heart of Every Believer. Christ Sits at the Right hand of God the Father. Bread and wine, Crackers and Juice are what they are. It's a matter of the heart concerning the way in which we take the Lord's Supper/Communion.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

Jesus finished the sheding of His blood on the cross (John 19:28-30) And taught the observance was to be a rememberance (Luke 22:19).

And what do you make of the unbeliever Judas eating the observance (Luke 22:21)?

1 Corinthians.11:29-30
28Each one must examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. 29For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

You have no clue. As for Judas I think the same thing the written word speaks
Matthias Replaces Judas Acts 1:19-21
…19This became known to all who lived in Jerusalem; so they called that field in their own language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.) 20“For it is written in the book of Psalms: ‘May his dwelling be deserted; let there be no one to live in it,’ and, ‘May another take his office.’ 21Therefore it is necessary to select one of the men who have accompanied us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,…

Now, Judas's lost estate becomes the means by which you try to discredit the word of the Lord? So, let me see, he is the measure by which you measure the word of the Lord?

Christ established the rite of His supper before He died. , he was removing sin before he died. Hence , go and sin no more, healing the sick , raising the dead, casting out demons .He put death and all sin to death on the cross ,but was removing sin before that. The sacrificial LAMB -the sins are put upon Him. Judas made his choice. Judas is NOT the authority Christ is. Christ, and what he said ,is so. What you or I think about Judas does not diminish the importance of Christ's supper.
If Judas is your measure for obedience, well you know how that will turn out. Just saying. Judas ate and drank in an unworthy fashion, not believing in the body which sat before him daily.

 

[37818]

1 Corinthians.11:29-30
28Each one must examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. 29For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

You have no clue. As for Judas I think the same thing the written word speaks
Matthias Replaces Judas Acts 1:19-21
…19This became known to all who lived in Jerusalem; so they called that field in their own language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.) 20“For it is written in the book of Psalms: ‘May his dwelling be deserted; let there be no one to live in it,’ and, ‘May another take his office.’ 21Therefore it is necessary to select one of the men who have accompanied us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,…

Now, Judas's lost estate becomes the means by which you try to discredit the word of the Lord? So, let me see, he is the measure by which you measure the word of the Lord?

Christ established the rite of His supper before He died. , he was removing sin before he died. Hence , go and sin no more, healing the sick , raising the dead, casting out demons .He put death and all sin to death on the cross ,but was removing sin before that. The sacrificial LAMB -the sins are put upon Him. Judas made his choice. Judas is NOT the authority Christ is. Christ, and what he said ,is so. What you or I think about Judas does not diminish the importance of Christ's supper.
If Judas is your measure for obedience, well you know how that will turn out. Just saying. Judas ate and drank in an unworthy fashion, not believing in the body which sat before him daily.

How does any of the above comments you are making answer my question? Judas ate the Lord's rememberance (Luke 22:21). I want to know your thoughs on Judas having done so.

 

[Adonia]

First, this is double talk. you tell me that crackers and grape juice are not correct and that wine and bread are what is special. Then you say God's presence is in the elements and that is what makes it special.

Bread and wine are the elements the Scriptures say were and are to be used in Holy Communion. One would think that you scriptural purists would follow that example.

God isn't "in the elements".

That's not what He said. One would think that you scriptural purists would believe that.

 

[Adonia]

Greetings! Does Christ live in you? If so, how do you know?

He is in my heart. He comes to me as He does.

 

[JonShaff]

He is in my heart. He comes to me as He does.

Thank you for the response. What does that mean, "He comes to me as He does?"

 

[OfLivingWaters]

How does any of the above comments you are making answer my question? Judas ate the Lord's rememberance (Luke 22:21). I want to know your thoughs on Judas having done so.

I guess you too need your magnifiers I did answer your question and actually answered more than that.

 

[37818]

I guess you too need your magnifiers I did answer your question and actually answered more than that.

You indeed replied. But you did not tell me your view on Judas eating the Lord's rememberance. You made an assersion of what you thought I think. That did not answer what I had asked.