Originally posted by Ray Berrian:
I cannot speak to the errors or false doctrine of everyone else who claims to be a part of Christendom. But it does seem to me that every pastor or denomination someone says is fine and orthodox, there will always be nay sayers who will find something wrong with a denomination or a high profile Christian personality.
Why can't you speak to the errors or false doctrine of others? Are you such an ecumenist that your doctrine has become all-inclusive? You don't know what you believe any more, so you just beleive everyone, and accept everyone--error and all? If it is error why don't you speak against it?
Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences
contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
2 John 1:10-11 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 Timothy 4:1-3 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season;
reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when
they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
I wonder how Baptist/Presbyterian types like it when other Christians say that eternal security is 'a license to sin' for Christians and that these denominations teach antinomianism? Just get saved and then all your future sins are under the blood.
It seems to me that you are the one that is teaching antinomianism here. There is no law. There is no doctrine. Doctrine is sacrificed on the altar of unity. Let us all join hands together and forget about doctrine, right? It doesn't matter if Benny Hinn denies the trinity, and denies the deity, lets count him as a brother in Christ anyway, right? Don't speak against the heresies of the WOF movement; they aren't so bad. Let us just have unity. Forget about doctrine. Right? That is antinomianism my friend. That is what you have been preaching on this thread--no law; just chaos and confusion. "We can do whatever we want becasue we have no law, no doctrine, to hold us back--antinomianism. That is what you have been agreeing to.
But that is not what we believe. The one who believes in Christ and is eternall secure in him, believes that Christ will so change that person, that he will not desire to do those things any longer. He is new creature in Christ, with a new life in Christ. Old things are passed away; all things are become new. But if you don't have that new nature, only the emotional experiences of the WOF movement, yes, the result will be antinominianism.
Just understand while you are criticizing every other denomination or Christian leader, someone also has you in the cross-hairs.
I have been there lots of time. The people involved in the Charismatic movement are some of the nastiest people I have met. This is especially true when you try and show them (from the Bible) that what they practice is not Biblical. I once asked a Charismatic to show me how tongues was a Biblical practice from the Bible, and then handed my Bible to him. He got so angry at me that he accused me of being demon-possessed, and there in a very public place went into a wild rampage and tried to cast a demon out of me--all because I didn't believe in tongues. Yes, they can be very nasty indeed.
Jesus said in Matthew 7:1-2 the degree that we criticise and judge others, is the same method He will use on us at the Judgment Seat of Christ.
Why don't you take that reference in its context and find out what it is really talking about before you post it. Do your homework.
What did Jesus say about judging?
"Judge righteous judgement." He commanded us to judge.
"Ye shall know them by their fruits" That requires judgement.
Paul said: "He that is spiritual judgeth all things."
We are commanded to judge. You make judgements every day, without realizing it. If you see a piece of moldy bread in your house, will you eat it, use it in your sandwich, or will you throw it out? You make the judgement.
Peraps some starving Ethiopian make criticize you for your decision.
DHK