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Words mean things
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Perhaps that's because we don't refer to our opponents as Muslim terrorists (see EWF's post above). What the post should really be titled is "Words Mean Things When Calvinists Say Them". This is the Typical elitist attitude that Benjamin was talking about in another thread.
And Winman was right, and shouldn't apologize for anything he said. Calvinists DON'T believe the Bible, they believe a murdering baby sprinkler's INTERPRETATION of the Bible and man made creeds as their final authority. The final authority for the Calvinist is NOT WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS, but what John Calvin and Augustine SAID it SAID. That's not believing the Bible, so Winman was dead on.
And I'm sure if it were legal in your country to kill Non Calvinists, you'd be rounding us all up like Calvin did. You attempt to word-lynch every Non Calvinist on here so wouldn't be such a stretch to assume you'd probably rather just KILL US-worked for Calvin, Luther, Augustine and the RCC. In fact, I bet the Calvinists reading this thread are thinking about giving us a nice hot oil bath right about now or burning us at the stake! (Especially us "Zionists".)
"Ah yes, may I speak to Pope Francis...we have a heretic in Israel name Ach that we'd like to extradite to the USA for burning at the stake. Would you issue a Papal Bull to Mr Netanyahu please! Thank you! Looking forward to the day when you Canonize John Calvin. After all, St. Augustine was his mentor, and we Calvinists have done a great job at deflecting attention from Calvinism off of Augustine, so you owe us one!".
FYI, this post has been reported...if you are unsure as to which parts are the most un-true and uncalled for, I have underlined them for you.
I like Mex, am saddened to read the last few threads of vitriol between brothers and sisters in Christ.
preacher4truth
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FYI, this post has been reported...if you are unsure as to which parts are the most un-true and uncalled for, I have underlined them for you.
I like Mex, am saddened to read the last few threads of vitriol between brothers and sisters in Christ.
Agreed. Let's make certain not to lump everyone in the exchange as employing vitriol. :thumbs:
jonathan.borland
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Good gracious! You dudes really need to take a chill pill.
DrJamesAch
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FYI, this post has been reported...if you are unsure as to which parts are the most un-true and uncalled for, I have underlined them for you.
I like Mex, am saddened to read the last few threads of vitriol between brothers and sisters in Christ.
If that's the way you want to play it, then I'll start reporting every single thread that slanders a Non Calvinist ESPECIALLY all the RACIST JEWISH comments that are constantly thrown at me.
DrJamesAch
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Report this one to, Earth Wind and Fires comment toward me about being a "Zionist" while you sit there and act like I'm lying about it. And not one Calvinist stood up and said something about it, neither do they when Calvinists attack everyone else. When the Non Calvinists throw it back in your face it's, " I'm gonna go tell the mods on you". Little brats that can't take the heat but are o so willing to dish it out all the time.
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2001522&postcount=68
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2001522&postcount=68
Agreed. Let's make certain not to lump everyone in the exchange as employing vitriol. :thumbs:
You mean there are Finneyists here who don't act like Ach?
DrJamesAch
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Typical tactic when Calvinists get confronted by people that actually know and rely on the Bible. Can't say I'm surprised.
preacher4truth
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Report this one to, Earth Wind and Fires comment toward me about being a "Zionist" while you sit there and act like I'm lying about it. And not one Calvinist stood up and said something about it, neither do they when Calvinists attack everyone else. When the Non Calvinists throw it back in your face it's, " I'm gonna go tell the mods on you". Little brats that can't take the heat but are o so willing to dish it out all the time.
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2001522&postcount=68
My friend, with the way you treat so called Calvinists, do you honestly think they would come to your rescue? What is a Zionist anyhow?
By the way, do you gain anything from the OP that is positive and helpful?
DrJamesAch
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You mean there are Finneyists here who don't act like Ach?
Hmmmm..imagine that. First comment on this thread and it's slandering others with a label. I bet the Calvie's won't report it or say one word about it.
preacher4truth
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Typical tactic when Calvinists get confronted by people that actually know and rely on the Bible. Can't say I'm surprised.
Calvinists adhere to and know Scripture as well. Some of the best men of God are and were Calvinists.
Hmmmm..imagine that. First comment on this thread and it's slandering others with a label. I bet the Calvie's won't report it or say one word about it.
How did I slander anybody? I just asked a question.
Or are you just lying again, like the time you said I was following you from message board to message board when, in fact, I was a member and posting on both boards before you even registered?
By "label", do you mean "Finnyists"? If so, why is it a bad thing to call a Finneyist a Finneyist, but not bad to call a Calvinist a Calvinist?
DrJamesAch
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My friend, with the way you treat so called Calvinists, do you honestly think they would come to your rescue? What is a Zionist anyhow?
By the way, do you gain anything from the OP that is positive and helpful?
You self righteous hypocrite, I gave you PROOF with the link to the thread where YOU started it with me. YOU drew first blood as you've done to many others on here, and you have the nerve to talk about how I treat Calvinists? Please. Every person that comes on this forum that disagrees with Calvinism gets slandered by virtually everyone of you solipsists and then act like the Non Calvinists are "treating you badly". Good night one of your own just called Non Calvinists (quoting another Calvinist, Icon) Muslim terrorists and you nor any other Cal said not one word.
And don't act like you don't know what a Zionist is. Kind of like the other thread where I showed how you were inconsistent in calling people out and you said "Oh, I missed it".
But hey, I'm used to it here. We get bombed all the time and then get blamed for fighting back. Like I said, same tactics that Calvin, Luther, Augustine, and the RCC used against those they disagreed with.
"Burn them heretics"! :thumbsup:
preacher4truth
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You self righteous hypocrite, I gave you PROOF with the link to the thread where YOU started it with me. YOU drew first blood as you've done to many others on here, and you have the nerve to talk about how I treat Calvinists? Please. Every person that comes on this forum that disagrees with Calvinism gets slandered by virtually everyone of you solipsists and then act like the Non Calvinists are "treating you badly". Good night one of your own just called Non Calvinists (quoting another Calvinist, Icon) Muslim terrorists and you nor any other Cal said not one word.
And don't act like you don't know what a Zionist is. Kind of like the other thread where I showed how you were inconsistent in calling people out and you said "Oh, I missed it".
But hey, I'm used to it here. We get bombed all the time and then get blamed for fighting back. Like I said, same tactics that Calvin, Luther, Augustine, and the RCC used against those they disagreed with.
"Burn them heretics"!
I drew first blood? LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Oh boy, what an accusation that is. And unfounded.
I seriously haven't looked at what a Zionist is.
As far as the link quit pretending, OK? Give the link where you said I called out a tag team. And again, in the link you gave me I have no shame for what I said. The poll proved you incorrect, and you had been proven incorrect by the Word as well. Now go fetch that link where you said I called for a tag team.
DrJamesAch
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How did I slander anybody? I just asked a question.
Or are you just lying again, like the time you said I was following you from message board to message board when, in fact, I was a member and posting on both boards before you even registered?
By "label", do you mean "Finnyists"? If so, why is it a bad thing to call a Finneyist a Finneyist, but not bad to call a Calvinist a Calvinist?
And you defend that with a rhetorical question? That's like the principle asking why you called another person an idiot, and you say "Is it wrong to call an idiot and idiot?"
And you have numerous accounts, the one you had elsewhere you had only 10 posts on it, your 11th one was to me, so don't tell me you were a regular poster under the Auburn88 account with only 10 posts in 3 years. Only reason you didn't get away with the same crap you pull here is because virtually everyone there are Non Calvinists and that victim card didn't fly because they all say that you started it, and you even tried to apologize for it once you realized that 50 people called you out.
DrJamesAch
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I drew first blood? LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Oh boy, what an accusation that is. And unfounded.
I seriously haven't looked at what a Zionist is.
As far as the link quit pretending, OK? Give the link where you said I called out a tag team. And again, in the link you gave me I have no shame for what I said. The poll proved you incorrect, and you had been proven incorrect by the Word as well. Now go fetch that link where you said I called for a tag team.
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1988352&postcount=181 I'll get the rest in a minute. You should really consider taking Gingko because your memory is terrible.
Oh and a poll about Calvinism started by a Calvinist proves I was wrong? That's about as logical as a sheep being tried by a jury of wolves.
If that's the way you want to play it, then I'll start reporting every single thread that slanders a Non Calvinist ESPECIALLY all the RACIST JEWISH comments that are constantly thrown at me.
You are correct, if someone makes racist comments toward you or other jews, you should report it.
preacher4truth
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http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1988352&postcount=181 I'll get the rest in a minute. You should really consider taking Gingko because your memory is terrible.
Oh and a poll about Calvinism started by a Calvinist proves I was wrong? That's about as logical as a sheep being tried by a jury of wolves.
You're tripping. Did I say that or was that kyredneck? Now go get the proof that I called out loud for a tag team.
BTW, kyredneck was referring to you and your troops it wasn't what you see it saying at all.
Go figure. :thumbs:
The poll was about Calvinists knowing they are saved and elect which you said they don't know this. Many Calvinists showed that your accusation was incorrect and that they do in fact know they are saved. Your illustration of sheep and wolves is erroneous. I asked the Calvinists to respond with their beliefs, they did, and again it proved your accusation upon them to be false.
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Report this one to, Earth Wind and Fires comment toward me about being a "Zionist" while you sit there and act like I'm lying about it. And not one Calvinist stood up and said something about it, neither do they when Calvinists attack everyone else. When the Non Calvinists throw it back in your face it's, " I'm gonna go tell the mods on you". Little brats that can't take the heat but are o so willing to dish it out all the time.
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2001522&postcount=68
Sorry, I had not heard the word "zionist" until about a week ago when I saw it on this board...I don't really know what it means...It thought it had something to do with being a dispensationalist.
You need a thicker layer of skin.Folks, when theology is being discussed it is not nitpicking to ask someone to be careful with their words. The old adage, "Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me" is not true. Words carry a lot of weight. When those words are used to describe God, or the Bible, we should take extra care with what comes out of our mouth or what we put into print.
In another thread Van wrote:
He did not qualify his statement. He did not say, "Calvinists do not believe the bible in this area". He made a blanket statement. Really? Calvinists do not believe the Bible? Think about that statement for it is dangerous. The gospel is contained in the Bible. If Calvinists do not believe the Bible then, by extension, they do not believe the gospel. If they do not believe the gospel then how can they be saved? Perhaps that is not what Van meant, but he has been so incensed at being called out for his careless words that he refuses to retract or modify his statement. He wants to make it into an argument on Calvinism, which it is not.
Not to be outdone, Winman chimed in with:
If Van was careless with his words, Winman cannot claim the same. By writing, "I would not take it back or apologize" he knew exactly what he was writing. Once again Calvinists do not believe the Bible, or by extension the gospel.
I do not expect those who disagree with Calvinism to see it from my point of view. But what if I said Arminians or non-Calvinists do not believe the Bible? Would that be an acceptable statement? Of course I would never make that statement. I would say that we disagree on what the Bible teaches in a specific area(s). That is a far cry from saying that the other side does not believe the Bible.
This is a debate forum. It is not for the faint of heart. Sometimes debate gets rather heated. But we need to be careful with our words. When we cross the line we should man up and retract hurtful or inaccurate comments. Refusing to do so speaks volumes about our character.
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