Would the founders have left God out of the Constitution...

I wonder if the Founding Fathers would have gone along with a Pledge of Allegiance in any form.

 

James this is another reason I keep saying they never percieved this county going this far away from God. I still think they would have put some personal convction about God if they thought it necessary. I think the list of their affiliations if accurate. You have hit on my main premis though as to why I think this "I can't see how they would violate their own principle" they would not . they just could not see things going this far. and from fear of showing favoritism and becoming like the nation they had just won freedom from they left it out.

 

I would think they also were dealing with so many different comprimise issues too. they had to come up with something that would please most every body. or the Union would not last long.

 

I am sure that , if the framers had known how judges would pervert the meaning of the first amendment, they would have been shocked and appalled.

 

Rock, I don't know if they would think that necessary. They just got through pledging their lives by action. but this is not the pledge post.

 

NO

 

Since the majority were expressed believers, I would think that many ARE shocked and appalled.

I know that I am as well.

 

So now El_Guero and carpro.
What do we do about it?

 

were not the first schools to teach kids to read for the purpose of reading the Bible for themselves?

 

Appoint judges who will administer the Constitution, not rewrite it to match their own agenda for society.

Impeach those who abuse their judicial authority in such a manner.

 

freedom's cause

care to elaborate?

 

carpro,

now we're talking.
here's some more. Let us be the best witness we can be .

stand firm on the cause of Christ.

Vote like we are what we say we are.(us Texasan christians have let some things slide at the polls in just my lifetime. Blue law, lottery)

But perhaps I digress from the topic.

 

I would venture to say that God is as absent from the Constitution as He is from the Book of Esther or the Song of Solomon--only in the sense of direct mention. </font>[/QUOTE]Moral and religious does not mean Christian. Read the philosophers who were writing then, even atheists thought "morals and religion" were positive factors in a society.

Your points are well made. However, "Reason", as expressed by the philosophes was not included in the Constitution either, but it's influence is there. As evidence note the premable to the Virginia constitution which does include "Reason".

 

One of us is going to have to re-read The Federalist to see what the real intentions were.

I have always been bothered by the preponderance of godesses in the paintings and stautary of the period. Why were Freedom, Liberty, and Justice personified in that manner if a dependence and reliance of Jesus Christ was so well accepted?

 

I don't even think you need the word accepted. It was assummed I think. I know Abe Lincoln depended on Him. (but I hope that info is not bogus.)but you are right that is not accepted now. the Truth remains the Truth no matter if I want to accept it or not. we need for people to know that God wants what is best for them and if I don't stand up for my right to let others know it will be taken away. we should be grateful that God has put up with this nonsense in this country as long as He has. and that He has not turned us over to what most in the nation seem to want 'a nation without God.'

 

There will never be a nation without God, no matter what anyone wants. This is what all but the staunchists atheists believed. They still thought it best, correctly IMHO, to leave God completely out of the document which is our very foundation.

 

I think the verse that says someting about "God gave them over to their own desires" is a nation with out God. He has not done it yet.

But this is why I do not think the founders would heve ever thought of abortion. Don't you think they, with their background, would have thought this immoral. and if that is yes then don't you think they would have protected the kids. don't you think they would have found gay marrige immoral and don't you think thay would have protected the nation from that corruption. I may be getting off track again.

 

Homosexuality, immorality, drunkenness and all kinds of degredation were common in England at the time. These men would have known that, they would have heard the worst. If the thought God in the constitution would have helped, don't you think they would have included Him.