Would two sinners marrying, be considered sinning?

[convicted1]

A lawful marriage between a man and woman is not sinful. There is a categorical difference between being in a state of sin and committing sins. A good deed done by an unbeliever is still done while in a state of unbelief. There is no spiritual benefit for that good deed; although marriage presents benefits that are common to all who enter into that covenant.

This is probably the best post so far!! I'll put it on my shelf for safe keeping! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[convicted1]

Define marriage a little better.

A covenant betwixt a man and woman that is taken before a Minister and God.

There are some "ministers" that are not ordained, or are not licensed by the state to perform a marriage.

My wife and I were married by a CoC preacher, and he was "ordained" via the state of Kentucky. He even had the "seal" to put on our marriage certificate.

If a marriage by today's standard are the vows that unite a man to a woman and those vows are taken in the presence of both man and God according to the laws of the country, then it is possible that the marriage could be constituted as a sin.

How so? Please expound further. Tracy and I were married before both our families, the CoC minister read some scriptures about the marriage bed, amongst other verses, my dad and father-in-law signed our certificate as witnesses, so I think that's the biblical way. I know you weren't questioning my marriage, I was just throwing it out there to show you I know what I was talking about.

But, like Aaron, I am not sure what the purpose of your post was.

I have read where some say that everything a sinner does is a sin. If so, marriage falls under the "umbrella" of everything, so by mere implication, two sinners marrying, doing so in accordance with the bible, would still be sinning, no? Maybe I am thinking wrong, but I think not....that's why I am throwing this out to get y'alls opinions.

 

[convicted1]

You gotta admit the wording in the OP was—well—pretty queer.

How so? I used a male and female name in the OP. Marriage betwixt man/man or woman/woman may be constituted a "marriage" at the local level(state), but never ordained in heaven. IOW, God will never recognize them as being "one flesh".


It is a covenant betwixt a man AND woman, period. And if done so according to the bible, then God recognizes them as "one flesh".

 

[convicted1]

Marriage is honorable in all. Marriage is on the earth and for the earth. So, of course, one who marries and abides by a marriage is doing good on earth, and on earth is worthy of praise.

However, sin is present with you in everything you do, corrupting it, and, from the point of view of heaven, rendering your best righteousness on earth a menstrum-stained, stinking rag worthy only of fire.

I'll have to put this one on the shelf next to Brother Herald's post!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[convicted1]

Not everything a sinner does is sin. Simply because some sinners, (not all) mind you do obey civil law and that includes most of God's Law so obeying the Law is not sin. Marriage is also a Law but we are advised we should not be unequally yoked. Who else but a sinner would be equally yoked with a sinner. I believe that word "yoked" is a wonderful way of saying things have to work together or they will pull apart.
Paul wrote;
2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

MB

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[DHK]

How so? Please expound further. Tracy and I were married before both our families, the CoC minister read some scriptures about the marriage bed, amongst other verses, my dad and father-in-law signed our certificate as witnesses, so I think that's the biblical way. I know you weren't questioning my marriage, I was just throwing it out there to show you I know what I was talking about.

I wasn't referring to a situation like yours. There are some preachers that have a lot of disdain for the laws of the land. They take separation of church and state too far. They refuse to be registered and thus cannot issue a valid tax receipt for income tax purposes. They refuse to be licensed by the state in order to perform either marriages or funerals as required by the state. They seem to be their own authority. I believe that pastors ought to be law-abiding citizens even in the matters of marriage, etc.

That is why I tried to phrase it that way. I heard one preacher say that all that is required for a marriage is a man in the ministry pronouncing a couple man and wife in the presence of two witnesses. If that were the case, he could be condoning a couple that were eloping, running away, had been living together, etc.
"Let everything be done decently and in order."

 

[Crabtownboy]

If "Leroy" and "Bertha", who neither had been married before, are married before a God called minister, would that be constituted as a sin?

And when they consummated their marriage with each other, in the confines of the marriage bed, is that a sin, too?

Seems to me that since everyone, saved or not, is a sinner then either everyone doing as you said in your OP is either married or everyone is not married.

 

[convicted1]

I wasn't referring to a situation like yours. There are some preachers that have a lot of disdain for the laws of the land. They take separation of church and state too far. They refuse to be registered and thus cannot issue a valid tax receipt for income tax purposes. They refuse to be licensed by the state in order to perform either marriages or funerals as required by the state. They seem to be their own authority. I believe that pastors ought to be law-abiding citizens even in the matters of marriage, etc.

That is why I tried to phrase it that way. I heard one preacher say that all that is required for a marriage is a man in the ministry pronouncing a couple man and wife in the presence of two witnesses. If that were the case, he could be condoning a couple that were eloping, running away, had been living together, etc.
"Let everything be done decently and in order."

In Kentucky, West Virginia, and Florida, if one is an ordained minister of a local church, they can perform marriage. Would you consider this biblically acceptable? I am not baiting you with this question, just wanting you thoughts and ideas, that is all.

 

[DHK]

In Kentucky, West Virginia, and Florida, if one is an ordained minister of a local church, they can perform marriage. Would you consider this biblically acceptable? I am not baiting you with this question, just wanting you thoughts and ideas, that is all.

If the law permits, then it is legal.
Primarily a marriage is the union of two individuals (male and female) who make a vow to unite with each other before God and before man in accordance with the laws of the land. (That can be expanded on a bit).

 

[kyredneck]

Marriage is honorable in all. Marriage is on the earth and for the earth. So, of course, one who marries and abides by a marriage is doing good on earth, and on earth is worthy of praise.

However, sin is present with you in everything you do, corrupting it, and, from the point of view of heaven, rendering your best righteousness on earth a menstrum-stained, stinking rag worthy only of fire.

I'll have to put this one on the shelf next to Brother Herald's post!! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

ROFG_:laugh::laugh: Yea, Aaron doesn't mince words, neither do the scriptures:

But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. Isa 64:6

 

[Gina B]

I would have to say no, because we are told what to do if one party in a marriage comes to Christ while the other doesn't.

I was in that situation. It wasn't easy, but it didn't invalidate the marriage and the marriage was true to start with.

It still would have been real, but wrong, if one of us had been a believer and the other had not. If not, why would it say not to do so if it was impossible to do anyhow?