Would you allow a woman to lay hands on you?

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Foul, circular argument, penalty fifteen yards.

Prove to me that the laying on of hands is not for today.

Or admit that you worship what your preacher tells you more than you do God.

GE:
So, if I don't believe 'laying on of hands' (doctrinally, denominationally, even liturgically, even sacramentally), then I worship what my preacher tells me more than I do God, and am a follower of man rather than Christ? Then so be it in your eyes, I couldn't for what your judgement is worth, care less. I only know, it is arrogant and phony, to a sickening point so hypocritical.
I tell you what I believe is the Gospel truth for today, that one is saved and healed by faith alone and not by the laying on of hands - which is not for today nun ist's Schluss!

 

[tragic_pizza]

GE:
So, if I don't believe 'laying on of hands' (doctrinally, denominationally, even liturgically, even sacramentally), then I worship what my preacher tells me more than I do God, and am a follower of man rather than Christ? Then so be it in your eyes, I couldn't for what your judgement is worth, care less. I only know, it is arrogant and phony, to a sickening point so hypocritical.
I tell you what I believe is the Gospel truth for today, that one is saved and healed by faith alone and not by the laying on of hands - which is not for today nun ist's Schluss!

Why, thank you.

Call me back when you learn the difference between saying "I don't beleive in/feel comfortable with the laying on of hands froma doctrinal standpoint," which is a statement of personal belief, and "laying on of hands passed away because the Apostles are dead," which is a statement attacking the doctrine of others.


Discern that, and you'll have the insight to call someone else "arrogant."

 

[Brother Bob]

You fail to see that the "laying on of hands" is an act of showing one's faith. :tear:

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Why, thank you.

Call me back when you learn the difference between saying "I don't beleive in/feel comfortable with the laying on of hands froma doctrinal standpoint," which is a statement of personal belief, and "laying on of hands passed away because the Apostles are dead," which is a statement attacking the doctrine of others.


Discern that, and you'll have the insight to call someone else "arrogant."

GE:
It's exactly what I have discerned.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

You fail to see that the "laying on of hands" is an act of showing one's faith. :tear:

Precisely! "Do you have faith, keep it to / for yourself!" One's faith if true faith isn't paraded, made a show with.

 

[annsni]

I see no where in Scripture where it says that laying on of hands is outdated for believers today, so I will do it. Jesus did it, I will do it. The Apostles did it, I will do it. Believers have been doing it for thousands of years, I will do it. I follow God, not what's 'comfortable' for me. :thumbs:

 

[Brother Bob]

Precisely! "Do you have faith, keep it to / for yourself!" One's faith if true faith isn't paraded, made a show with.

It is not a show to do what Jesus told us to do. He said to pray, is that a show too? If you do not believe in the "laying on of hands" then you don't have the faith in "laying on of hands". The laying on of hands has no power in it but Jesus as in prayer sees and hears and if its in faith believing He grants it.

 

[go2church]

Yes, no qualifiers...Jesus didn't seem to have a problem with a women washing his feet with her hair

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I see no where in Scripture where it says that laying on of hands is outdated for believers today, so I will do it. Jesus did it, I will do it. The Apostles did it, I will do it. Believers have been doing it for thousands of years, I will do it. I follow God, not what's 'comfortable' for me. :thumbs:

If ever arrogance! Man, you're so good you can give both Jesus and the Apostles a go at their own best!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

It is not a show to do what Jesus told us to do. He said to pray, is that a show too? If you do not believe in the "laying on of hands" then you don't have the faith in "laying on of hands". The laying on of hands has no power in it but Jesus as in prayer sees and hears and if its in faith believing He grants it.

Jesus said we should pray; He never "commanded" us to lay hands on. He also said pray on your closet; but no one cares about laying hands in his closet. But you simply distort my view on LOOH. I don't deny it as it was for the Apostles; I only say it's not for the likes of you and me who are followers of Jesus and the the Apostles - we have no right to claim their prerogatives.

And then lastly this usurping of Apostolic authority has never been witnessed but under a cloud of suspicion of various haughty claims.

 

[Brother Bob]

Try and talk nice, it Christmas time. I do believe its for now in the NT. If you don't that is your perrogative.

James 5:
: But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
13: Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14: Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16: Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

So he was speaking to the tribes of Israel but it was not the apostles but the Elders who are to lay hands on the sick. Jesus first said go ye to the twelve tribes of Israel and then after they went there and Jesus died and arose He sent them out again. It don't say, He gave them a different message but said now "go ye into all the world and preach His Gospel of which He had just taught them. He didn't take them up on the mountain again and give them a different message. If you want to be in the dark, so be it. Me and my house will walk in the light and serve the Lord. Do you sir, believe in "Elders" in the church today?

 

[Marcia]

I see no where in Scripture where it says that laying on of hands is outdated for believers today, so I will do it. Jesus did it, I will do it. The Apostles did it, I will do it. Believers have been doing it for thousands of years, I will do it. I follow God, not what's 'comfortable' for me. :thumbs:

The apostles raised the dead, too. Do you believe we do that today?

What Jesus and the Apostles did does not necessarily extend to us. The letters to the churches do not talk about laying on of hands except for ordination, and the use of putting on oil by the elders (all men) for prayer for the sick.

I am not saying women cannot touch people as they pray for them; we are specifically talking about "the laying on of hands" in the context of the NT instructions and what that meant: ordination.

 

[Brother Bob]

Hbr 6:2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

This scripture is not talking about raising the dead but the doctrine of the resurrection and eternal judgment, along with gifts of laying on of hands and doctrine of baptisms.

It said to call the Elders, the "laying on of hands" is a gift and I don't think its talking about ordaining someone all the time. We know we can't raise the dead but we don't jump in a fiery furnance either but we do still practice baptisms too. Anyway, its talking about the "doctrine" of the resurrection of the dead which is yet to come and also the eternal judgment which is yet to come. Baptisms and laying on of hands was there then and now and until there is none left to baptize or lay hands on, then will come the resurrection and eternal judgment.

 

[hillclimber1]

So what you and many others here on this thread are saying is that if I visit a friend in the hospital to bring them some cheer and a friendly visit that I cannot pray a small pray for them and that I cannot lay my hand on their shoulder or their upper arm if I did pray?

Or that I cannot pat the top of the hand or shoulder of a student who has a problem and quietly pray to myself while lightly touching them and listening to their story of their parents' divorce?

All because I am merely a woman??????

Hmm.....guess I need to stop visiting in the hospitals and praying for my high school students.

On Scarlett, I agree with you in this context. I simply deny that elders or anyone else, (women included) are so empowered that they can affect healing, supernaturally, through laying on of hands. To touch, hold and pray for someone as you describe is great.

 

[Brother Bob]

Well, if you don't believe in it then I don't think you will ever have to worry about someone asking you to lay hands on them and ask God to heal them.

You know, God knows what we stand in need of before we ever ask, but He still wants us to ask in faith believing.

If you don't believe then just don't worry about it.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

BB:
"So he was speaking to the tribes of Israel but it was not the apostles but the Elders who are to lay hands on the sick. Jesus first said go ye to the twelve tribes of Israel and then after they went there and Jesus died and arose He sent them out again. It don't say, He gave them a different message but said now "go ye into all the world and preach His Gospel of which He had just taught them. He didn't take them up on the mountain again and give them a different message. If you want to be in the dark, so be it. Me and my house will walk in the light and serve the Lord. Do you sir, believe in "Elders" in the church today?"

GE:

That's just the difference, imperceptable to you: There were the elders appointed by the Apostles, and there are the elders appointed by ordinary believers like us.

 

[Brother Bob]

You lack a belief in God being able to not change, being the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. If we are Elders, we are His Elders, the same as if we are saved we are His children the same as they were.
What you think, everything changed when the Apostles died? God don't change!
Where in the Bible do you think we should start, Rev:?

 

[gb93433]

They were not preachers, nor did they EVER CLAIMED TO BE PREACHERS.

Then how would you interpret Romans 10:14 "How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?"

 

[LeBuick]

Would I allow a woman to lay hands on me? I certainly would not ... but not because she is a woman, but because no one man or woman today is an Apostle of our Lord.

Where does it say only Apostles have the gift of healing hands?

 

[DHK]

John 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
--God answers prayer. Period. He rebuked His disciples for not praying, and not praying in His name. The oil and the laying on of hands is not necessary for God to hear prayer--anyone's prayer. Why get hung up on this? God answers prayer whether or not the person is brought before the church and the elders of the church lay hands on him and anoint him with oil. Surely I hope you believe that God answers prayer.

Jeremiah 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.